worst in a long time!!! a deeper look at life

ffmedicgerbs · 01-08-2008, 6:23 PM

I heard of a wreck on a main street near me and i just though it was no big deal,

then they added details like motorcycle.....140mph...... fire......and flipped suv

so i had to do some looking up.
ends up he was a friend of some riders i know so it jsut makes it that much more personal.

we are not sure exactly whos fault it was, id say both, but one was speeding and the other should have looked before making a u-turn

either way it is bad,

both drivers were killed, no one knows if it was the fire that killed them or the crash but both bodies were pretty much insinerated.

it makes us think a little, and hopefully we can hold ourselves back when it comes to this type of behavior

so u know, he was no squid and he was no idiot, he was very timid from what i am told, and this was the first time in a while he actually got on it.

but prayers with the families

i posted this for discussion on a deeper note of how much life matters and to show how quickly we can lose so much.

.OrgOwner · 01-08-2008, 7:15 PM

Sorry to hear about this - people think they are safe in big cars...

dchd1130 · 01-08-2008, 7:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ffmedicgerbs

we are not sure exactly whos fault it was, id say both, but one was speeding and the other should have looked before making a u-turn

Uhh your not sure huh. Well if he was doing 140 I would say its 100% his fault.

stpcbr1000rr · 01-08-2008, 7:39 PM

IMHO there is a time and a place to ride to your bikes limits and in the city streets is not the place, do it in a place where the only persons life you can jepordize is yours, preferably a track or out in BFE.

ffmedicgerbs · 01-08-2008, 7:48 PM

yea i agree, it was primarily his fault, but u can still see something like that coming... and no im not saying he was right at all....

we have a bridge here called the gandy.... its around 2-3 miles long.... at least it feels like it... that would have even been a better idea

but its a huge loss on both sides, he should have been a bit more selective on where he decides to open her up.

but i ddnt post it to critisize him or for myself to get critisized more to show how fragile life really is.

ffmedicgerbs · 01-08-2008, 7:54 PM

oh some random facts

he was on a zx-10
the news said a 900 lb bike flipped a 4000 lb. suv... i know the kawi is way less like 500 lb. max but i dont know bout the burben
3 civilians tried to extinguish the fire with extingushiers in their cars, none were succesful

the motorcycleist was pinned under the suv (dont know how he got there) when the fires errupted

the driver was unconceous accoring to one of the civilians with the extingushers

i hope that the both died upon impact so they ddnt have to suffer burning to death.

they say he was doing over 140,

but no gurantees, he was deff doin over 100

but i think it takes a lot to flip a big suv like that.

one other thing , one bystandard said they saw his backtire go very high up in the air before impact

BALDGONZO · 01-08-2008, 9:04 PM

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Originally Posted by dchd1130

Uhh your not sure huh. Well if he was doing 140 I would say its 100% his fault.

I also agree. 140 = 100% fault!

slickwill · 01-08-2008, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by BALDGONZO

I also agree. 140 = 100% fault!

Yep, there is no way the SUV driver can judge if a motorcycle is coming at 70mph or 140mph.

ffmedicgerbs · 01-08-2008, 11:17 PM

i understand, but as a rule i dont pull out in front of bikes at all!

Donnyballgame · 01-08-2008, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ffmedicgerbs

i understand, but as a rule i dont pull out in front of bikes at all!

You don't, and I don't, but we still can't control the ones that do. When we are on our bikes, we need to take the responsibility for every driver out there to preserve our own lives. You need to anticipate every move and plan for the worst. We as riders are very vulerable on the road. Almost makes me want to turn to a track only person. The best advice I got from a friend of mine was, "Ride like you are invisible, because it is hard for others to judge the distance of a bike, and ride like everyone is out to kill you." We ride some of the most powerful machines on the road, let's be responsible with that power. Keep the speeds down and save it for the track.

jhonda41 · 01-08-2008, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ffmedicgerbs

the motorcycleist was pinned under the suv (dont know how he got there) when the fires errupted

but no gurantees, he was deff doin over 100

but i think it takes a lot to flip a big suv like that.

It is wierd that he would get pinned under the SUV....

God rest his soul, but he's an idiot for doing those speeds on the street.

More bad press for sportbikers... Daytona Bike Week attendees beware.

It does not take that much to flip over an SUV, especially one that is turning/accelerating. (making a u-turn)

-jh <---- preparing for the flamefest that this thread will soon turn into.

dchd1130 · 01-09-2008, 3:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ffmedicgerbs

yea i agree, it was primarily his fault, but u can still see something like that coming... and no im not saying he was right at all....

No not primarily. He is totally at fault, and its awful that someone else had to lose there life for it.

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but i ddnt post it to critisize him or for myself to get critisized more to show how fragile life really is.

I know you didn't, but its an awful story and the bigger issue is that his recklessness cost an innocent persons life.

slickwill · 01-09-2008, 3:27 PM

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Originally Posted by dchd1130

its awful that someone else had to lose there life for it. I know you didn't, but its an awful story and the bigger issue is that his recklessness cost an innocent persons life.

Begin Rant Mode:
And yet over the last year over and over people come on here and try to argue that speeding, "only affects me, why do you care?" Why is this board "nazi" against stunting, speeding, etc? This is why. More people killed, one more bike totalled, increased insurance costs, laws banning motorcycles.
Rant Over.

Cheesy movie quote coming: With great power comes great responsibility.

blue1000rr · 01-09-2008, 3:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ffmedicgerbs

i understand, but as a rule i dont pull out in front of bikes at all!

yea but thats because you ride and know what it's like when someone does pull out infront of you. probably 80% (just pulled that stat from nowhere, probably somewhere around that) of drivers have never been on a motorcycle and dont think like a rider like you and i, and everyone else on this board.

ffmedicgerbs · 01-09-2008, 8:33 PM

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Originally Posted by jhonda41

It does not take that much to flip over an SUV, especially one that is turning/accelerating. (making a u-turn)

it takes more than u think in this situation, the suv was turning left from the center of the street

so it was flipped the oppisite way the g-forces were pushing it

BALDGONZO · 01-10-2008, 1:29 AM

[quote=ffmedicgerbs;648951]it takes more than u think in this situation, the suv was turning left from the center of the street

so it was flipped the oppisite way the g-forces were pushing it
Does that mean he may have been going more than 140. " Gone ballistic "!

ffmedicgerbs · 01-10-2008, 11:46 PM

yea... he was pretty much a missle, 140 before braking

so we can say a fair 100-125

on1wheel01 · 01-15-2008, 2:13 AM

MAn what a horrible crash. It's sad that someone else died because of a irresponsible rider going way over the speed limit. True the suv may have pulled but at 140 you cover a lot of ground very very fast. And he may never had been any where close. God bless their souls. And the suburban aeighs just shy of 6000 lbs, not 4 like the news said. I'm guessing that was the bikes gas igniting the fire.

beaver · 01-15-2008, 4:19 AM

All I have to say is Cars hate Bikes and all bikers should know this! We all know to look out for cars. that being said... he is completely in the wrong... I agree with what most people have said that theirs a time and a place and that setting was neither... it only takes one mistake!

nedro · 01-15-2008, 3:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ffmedicgerbs

i understand, but as a rule i dont pull out in front of bikes at all!

Wait just an F'n minute here!
At 140, how far do you travel in ONE second???
Chances are, the driver of the car never saw the bike because of stupid fast speed. Even if they did, the bike could've been a half mile away when the car started the U-turn. Friggin 140! When/If I do that on a public street, I KNOW I WILL DIE IF SOMETHING GOES WRONG! And chances are, I will take someone with me. STUPID STUPID STUPID!

THE JESTER · 01-15-2008, 5:25 PM

To put it roughly were talking 1/8 of a mile in about 5 seconds , and you expect the driver to have seen him ?

Twincam · 01-15-2008, 6:01 PM

OK this person may have been acting a fool, indeed he was. But he is dead now, im sure if he was here now we would love to turn back time...

He learnt his lesson in a very sad way, but its now down us to learn from his mistake and move on. Ive been in a car when ive been travelling at 70MPH in the middle lane, gone to indicate to move into the fast lane and within a few split-seconds i have a bike on my tail, just makes me check and check again for bikes.

Pre Warning: This thread will turn into a 10 page crazy thread soon where people will be critising him and saying what he should and shouldnt have done...

I hope everyone here goes away knowing more than they did, do not act stupid when there are others around...

Twin

slickwill · 01-15-2008, 6:16 PM

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Originally Posted by THE JESTER

To put it roughly were talking 1/8 of a mile in about 5 seconds , and you expect the driver to have seen him ?

.1944 miles in 5 seconds to be exact. Well over an 1/8 mile pushing closer to 1/4 mile.

ffmedicgerbs · 01-15-2008, 6:26 PM

when i said i dont pull out in front of bikes it was a general statement,
this was an accident waiting to happen i agree,

and i thank Twin for being real and down to earth

its not about saying what he did wrong its just a real world realization

and i think 140 is about 1 football field a second, so unles the road was clear he couldnt have seen him coming,
19 is a 4lane each side (so 8 lane rd.)
so i dont really know what traffic is like at 11:00 am

slickwill · 01-15-2008, 6:28 PM

205 ft/sec at 140mph, so 2/3 of a football field.

ffmedicgerbs · 01-15-2008, 6:40 PM

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Originally Posted by slickwill

205 ft/sec at 140mph, so 2/3 of a football field.

screw u and your math skills!

lol i stand corrected thank you for finding that though

Twincam · 01-15-2008, 6:53 PM

I know this might sound heartless, but im glad there wasnt a full young family in that car. I would have been even more happier if the SUV wasnt on that road full stop or if the biker wasnt speeding, but these are all "what ifs" - cant change whats happened.

But things happen, some good, some bad, we cant control everyone or everything...

MACI4LIFE · 01-15-2008, 6:59 PM

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Originally Posted by dchd1130

Uhh your not sure huh. Well if he was doing 140 I would say its 100% his fault.

unless, of course, it's illegal to make a u turn on that roadway.

nedro · 01-15-2008, 7:48 PM

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Originally Posted by MACI4LIFE

unless, of course, it's illegal to make a u turn on that roadway.

Shirly, you jest. And I'll stop calling you that now.

nedro · 01-15-2008, 7:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Twincam

OK this person may have been acting a fool, indeed he was. But he is dead now, im sure if he was here now we would love to turn back time...

He learnt his lesson in a very sad way, but its now down us to learn from his mistake and move on. Ive been in a car when ive been travelling at 70MPH in the middle lane, gone to indicate to move into the fast lane and within a few split-seconds i have a bike on my tail, just makes me check and check again for bikes.

Pre Warning: This thread will turn into a 10 page crazy thread soon where people will be critising him and saying what he should and shouldnt have done...

I hope everyone here goes away knowing more than they did, do not act stupid when there are others around...

Twin

Dude! He did not learn ANYTHING. He is gone.
The only chance we have is to get down right nasty about his actions. Then maybe someone will think twice. You know, a whole lot of peer pressure with just a little, "That dumb Bastard died and killed someone else in the process! And he ain't coming back." thrown in for good measure.