[taurag]

Originally Posted by cbr900091177

i think thats a sad and poor attitude to have towards your fellow riders who havnt got as much spare cash as you,for example when i was sixteen it was all i could do to buy the bike for £350 (on £45 a week as an apprentice carpenter) let alone leathers,allthough id have loved to have them.you need to wake up and drag your head out of your ass,and im surprised at the moderaters attitude,a rider with little money doesnt = a BAD rider just a skint rider,you must have been a nipper once.i have no more to say to you .

yep! have to agree on that one. A good bike is a must. everything else is a cherry on the top. I'd much rather ride a nice new bike wearing no name gear anyday than riding some old piece of junk. i've never been inclined to give free advertising to all those apparel manufacturers.

[slickwill]

Originally Posted by taurag

yep! have to agree on that one. A good bike is a must. everything else is a cherry on the top. I'd much rather ride a nice new bike wearing no name gear anyday than riding some old piece of junk. i've never been inclined to give free advertising to all those apparel manufacturers.

No one here said a single word about it having to be expensive gear, or name brand gear. We just said "gear." No name gear is still gear. The thread was on wearing gear vs. not wearing gear. Not no name gear vs. name brand gear.

[schnogg]

I like this. It is a very cleverly staged photo. Even leathers wouldn't prevent you from getting impaled by the fence. Maybe he should call up Tony Stark if he is going to be doing stuff like this in the future.

[cbr900091177]

Don't cry to me about not having enough "spare cash." I'm in my 7th year of university education with two more to go, so I know all about not having any money. I paid for my undergradate education by busting my butt landscaping for $10 an hour. I rode around on a $500 dirtbike (on dirt, not the street) for years while I saved until I had money to buy the bike, gear, insurance, medical insurance, and every other necessary expense that comes with having a sport bike. If at 16 you couldn't afford gear then you didn't need to be riding. I have no sympathy for any 16 year old that can't "afford" a bike. Everything I have I've worked hard for.

before i was an apprentice i went to college 3 days a week an worked the other 2 days for £2.50 an hour to live ,when i was an apprentice i got £45 a week so dont cry to me about earning $10 an hour as that sounds like an easy life to me.
I think a lot of people work hard for there possessions youre not unique.If i hadnt ridden to work i would not have had a job as public transport did not go to the remote locations i worked at and i couldnt drive as i was not old enough.What is youre P/C answer to that,get a different job maybe ? .whatever.

[Gregory Waters]

Sad thing is we all arguing bout the price of leathers and i can almost garantee myself included dont were the leathers everytime we get on our beast and set out to ride. Even if we owned them. I admit i only wear my full gear when i hit the dragstrip but 9 out of 10 i do were my leather jacket cause i never know when im gona ride like a bad outta hell.

[cbr900091177]

very true i often only wear the leather jacket ,should wear it all really i guess ,now iv got it.

[bettingpython]

Lets keep the personal swats at each other to a minimum please.

How do I feel about gear it's pretty simple get the best you can affords and wear it all the time. Bear in mind how you'll be riding.

I have a relatively inexpensive field sheer mesh jacket and gloves that I wear with jeans in town when it's warm or hot. I always wear my helmet and boots.

Temperature is a non issue when I go for a spirited jaunt in the twisties I don't care how hot it is I wear my leather jacket and pant's with my good leather gloves.

[slickwill]

Originally Posted by cbr900091177

before i was an apprentice i went to college 3 days a week an worked the other 2 days for £2.50 an hour to live ,when i was an apprentice i got £45 a week so dont cry to me about earning $10 an hour as that sounds like an easy life to me.
I think a lot of people work hard for there possessions youre not unique.If i hadnt ridden to work i would not have had a job as public transport did not go to the remote locations i worked at and i couldnt drive as i was not old enough.What is youre P/C answer to that,get a different job maybe ? .whatever.

I'm pretty sure that if you compare the actual economics of it your 2.50 pounds is pretty equal to my $10 an hour. Basically the bottom of the barrel either way. It provided just enough for rent and macaroni. I had no extra's in those days. I was going to school 5 days a week and working 5 days a week.

I don't need a PC answer as I'll never give up the position that if you aren't wearing gear you shouldn't be on the road. If helmets cost $3000 then I still wouldn't change my mind. I probably wouldn't own one, but I wouldn't own a bike then either. It doesn't matter how expensive the gear is you shouldn't be on the road without it. But the reality of it is that you can get a DOT/SNELL helmet for $99, a decent pair of leather boots for $50, gloves for $50, and armoured jacket and pants for $300 if you shop around. So at a minimum I think everyone should have that $500 worth of gear before they are on the road. There isn't anything that is going to convince me that it isn't irresponsible to be wearing any less than that. PC or not that's the way it is.

[djer73]

Originally Posted by slickwill

I'm pretty sure that if you compare the actual economics of it your 2.50 pounds is pretty equal to my $10 an hour. Basically the bottom of the barrel either way. It provided just enough for rent and macaroni. I had no extra's in those days. I was going to school 5 days a week and working 5 days a week.

I don't need a PC answer as I'll never give up the position that if you aren't wearing gear you shouldn't be on the road. If helmets cost $3000 then I still wouldn't change my mind. I probably wouldn't own one, but I wouldn't own a bike then either. It doesn't matter how expensive the gear is you shouldn't be on the road without it. But the reality of it is that you can get a DOT/SNELL helmet for $99, a decent pair of leather boots for $50, gloves for $50, and armoured jacket and pants for $300 if you shop around. So at a minimum I think everyone should have that $500 worth of gear before they are on the road. There isn't anything that is going to convince me that it isn't irresponsible to be wearing any less than that. PC or not that's the way it is.

SPOT ON SLICK

[929hit]

I need boots and pants.... I have gloves and a Joe Rocket textile jacket with leather down the arms. I wouldn't ride without what I've got though. I know jeans aren't much, but it's way better than the shorts I see people riding in.

[slickwill]

Originally Posted by 929hit

I need boots and pants...I know jeans aren't much, but it's way better than the shorts I see people riding in.

Yep, I passed a guy on my way to school today that was wearing shorts and flip flops and had his helmet strapped to the side of his bike. That's not a money issue, that's an intelligence issue. I gave him the squid sign. I'm pretty sure he didn't know what it meant.

[cbr900091177]

Originally Posted by bettingpython

Lets keep the personal swats at each other to a minimum please.

How do I feel about gear it's pretty simple get the best you can affords and wear it all the time. Bear in mind how you'll be riding.

I have a relatively inexpensive field sheer mesh jacket and gloves that I wear with jeans in town when it's warm or hot. I always wear my helmet and boots.

Temperature is a non issue when I go for a spirited jaunt in the twisties I don't care how hot it is I wear my leather jacket and pant's with my good leather gloves.

thats all there is to it do the best you can with the money you have.

[cbr900091177]

Originally Posted by slickwill

Yep, I passed a guy on my way to school today that was wearing shorts and flip flops and had his helmet strapped to the side of his bike. That's not a money issue, that's an intelligence issue. I gave him the squid sign. I'm pretty sure he didn't know what it meant.

what is a squid and what is a squid sign keep hearing the expression but not a clue what it means,

[LoopyLee]

We were wondering as well.. the wan*er signal we give over here possibly

[929hit]

I think a squid is someone with a high chance of giving sportbikes a bad reputation... That's a nice way of putting it I think. I have no idea what the squid sign is though. lol Someone give us a pic!

[TattooedGQ]

Originally Posted by cbr900091177

what is a squid and what is a squid sign keep hearing the expression but not a clue what it means,

Make a circle with your index finger and thumb, then wave your other 3 fingers like the tentacles on a squid.

[cbr900091177]

Originally Posted by TattooedGQ

Make a circle with your index finger and thumb, then wave your other 3 fingers like the tentacles on a squid.

what does it mean tho ?

[Twincam]

Originally Posted by TattooedGQ

Make a circle with your index finger and thumb, then wave your other 3 fingers like the tentacles on a squid.

Ah so thats what it is!! I still prefer the w*nker one that us brits use, it seems to have a better punch.

I cannot say im a saint, I too have ridden without leathers and I too have been down the same road as many of you have been down when you were slightly younger and had no money to spare.

I too have had to work hard for my money, dont get me wrong life throws plenty of sh*t at you.

Most of my gear isnt the top branded stuff, gear is gear no matter what price tag/label it holds. There is nothing wrong with second hand stuff, actually its amazing what you can get these days compared to the shop prices

[Twincam]

Originally Posted by cbr900091177

what does it mean tho ?

Definition: A squid is an irresponsible motorcyclist. The term is derogatory and common among motorcyclists in the United States and is generally associated with a new or reckless motorcyclist seen riding erratically and/or beyond his or her capabilities, often without appropriate riding gear.

[cbr900091177]

Originally Posted by Twincam

Ah so thats what it is!! I still prefer the w*nker one that us brits use, it seems to have a better punch.

I cannot say im a saint, I too have ridden without leathers and I too have been down the same road as many of you have been down when you were slightly younger and had no money to spare.

I too have had to work hard for my money, dont get me wrong life throws plenty of sh*t at you.

Most of my gear isnt the top branded stuff, gear is gear no matter what price tag/label it holds. There is nothing wrong with second hand stuff, actually its amazing what you can get these days compared to the shop prices

and thanks for the definition by the way i prefer the wa**** sign too.

[Ol' Gravy Leg]

get some used gear. resale is cheap becasue gear doesn't hold it's value very well.

i'm rockin some big name stuff (including a pretty good one-piece) that i got for cheap because it was used.

even still, i've been known to squid-it-up on a hot day.

[cbr900091177]

Originally Posted by 929hit

I need boots and pants.... I have gloves and a Joe Rocket textile jacket with leather down the arms. I wouldn't ride without what I've got though. I know jeans aren't much, but it's way better than the shorts I see people riding in.

what about any old leather shoes or boots you may have,work gear or whatever thats what i used to use (my work D/Ms) they saved my toes when some ideot turned right on me and wrote off my bike ,i slid 100 yards up the road,my feet were fine but my leather jacket holed through on the elbows and shoulders (not a bike leather just a normal leather jacket)my jeans holed through in seconds an skinned my knees badly,a post here sugesrts gluein leather patches to your jeans,good idea,took months for my skin to grow back still scarred now

[tymeshare]

not to jack this post or anything..but..maybe we need a post explaining the proper way to fall?(it might sound crazy but there are things you can do to limit damage to yourself)..

i have gone down many a time(99.9% MY fault)..but..that has taught me some things to do in a fall..

the one thing that remains a constant is the gear...you HAVE to have it..

anyone that argues they other way is a squid in bikers clothing

[.OrgOwner]

Originally Posted by Ol' Gravy Leg

get some used gear. resale is cheap becasue gear doesn't hold it's value very well.

i'm rockin some big name stuff (including a pretty good one-piece) that i got for cheap because it was used.

even still, i've been known to squid-it-up on a hot day.

Shopping for some decent second hand gear on fleabay or wherever is pretty good advice. I would never buy a used Helmet but the rest of the stuff you need should be fine if it's been looked after.

[jkobflys]

i just picked up the radar 2 piece leathers from fieldsheer $476.00 shipped from revzila, they have a good fit and the quality looks good for half the price o the same type of suit from the other manufacturers,
Gear can get expensive but unless you have to have the top name brands you should be able to get what you need.

[blue1000rr]

i agree with the statement that if you cant afford the gear you cant afford the bike. when i suprised my parents and bought a dirt bike when i was 14 they wouldnt let me on it untill i had the money to buy the rest of the gear. i personaly only wear alpinestars boots/leathers and then i wear suomy helmet. some people may call be ignorant or whatever for having to have the name brand stuff but i went down wearing it once and it did it's job so i wont settle for anything less then what has proven it's self.

[jkobflys]

well i would have to disagree with that, for one if alpinestars is the only thing you have tryed then how do you know that the other gear wouldent work.
nothing against the name brand stuff, i too have alpinestars jackets 2 leather and 1 kevlar, boots and all my gloves are alpinestars, i also have sidi vertigo corsas and joe rocket jackets, first gear and hjc jackets, alpinestars leathers and now fieldsheer leathers and they all seem to be good products, the name brand is more about style and looks, but one thing is you cant go get $35.00 gloves and compare them with $120.00 dollar gloves, one thing is on helmets you cant cheap out i have 2 shoeis 1 arai and a bell, and the bell is a real piece of.... you know what i'm going to say but you cant compare $120.00 helmet to a $650.00 helmet.

[blue1000rr]

Originally Posted by jkobflys

well i would have to disagree with that, for one if alpinestars is the only thing you have tryed then how do you know that the other gear wouldent work.
nothing against the name brand stuff, i too have alpinestars jackets 2 leather and 1 kevlar, boots and all my gloves are alpinestars, i also have sidi vertigo corsas and joe rocket jackets, first gear and hjc jackets, alpinestars leathers and now fieldsheer leathers and they all seem to be good products, the name brand is more about style and looks, but one thing is you cant go get $35.00 gloves and compare them with $120.00 dollar gloves, one thing is on helmets you cant cheap out i have 2 shoeis 1 arai and a bell, and the bell is a real piece of.... you know what i'm going to say but you cant compare $120.00 helmet to a $650.00 helmet.

im not saying that the other stuff out there isnt good equipment. im just saying that i had good luck with the alpinestars the first time so im going to stick with them. im ok with spending a little extra to get peace of mind

[jkobflys]

there's nothing wrong with that.

[TKDmasterZ]

Originally Posted by slickwill

Wow, negative rep for suggesting that gear is important. Whatever.

Don't cry to me about not having enough "spare cash." I'm in my 7th year of university education with two more to go, so I know all about not having any money. I paid for my undergradate education by busting my butt landscaping for $10 an hour. I rode around on a $500 dirtbike (on dirt, not the street) for years while I saved until I had money to buy the bike, gear, insurance, medical insurance, and every other necessary expense that comes with having a sport bike. If at 16 you couldn't afford gear then you didn't need to be riding. I have no sympathy for any 16 year old that can't "afford" a bike. Everything I have I've worked hard for. It is stupid and irresponsible to buy a bike but then claim, "oh poor me, I can't afford gear now, I guess I'll just have to ride without it." No one ever said that a rider with little money = a bad rider. What we said is that it is irresponsible to buy a bike but not gear, there is a big difference. If you can't afford gear then you can buy the bike but it should stay parked in the garage until you get your gear. Yeah, I was a nipper once, and when I wanted to buy a bike my dad said, "do you have money for the bike, insurance, safety gear, and medical insurance?" I didn't, so no bike for me.

Like someone said above, that's like buying a boat and not buying life jackets. Just as irresponsible.

Imagine all new riders thinking smart and actually following through with responsibility of keeping themselves... unfortunately that rarely happens. Many young people have come to me for an advise on how to start motorcycling. Many of them ended up buying the most expensive, new bikes that they can afford, but didn't have enough money to get a nice set of protective gear... It's hard to resist and that's the reality. Most newbies have a hard time seeing through the glamour of riding a brand new, big engine sport bikes...