Sobering Video..

LoopyLee · 06-15-2009, 12:26 PM

A very bad end to an afternoons riding...

Please think before you try things like this on the street... It really isn't worth the price that some people pay...

As has been said so many times, if you want to ride at these kinds of speeds TAKE IT TO THE TRACK

Sobering Video

setanta · 06-15-2009, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by LoopyLee

A very bad end to an afternoons riding...

Please think before you try things like this on the street... It really isn't worth the price that some people pay...

As has been said so many times, if you want to ride at these kinds of speeds TAKE IT TO THE TRACK

Sobering Video

Bad observation:
Its as much the car drivers fault as the biker. The driver never checked to see if there was anything there and from what I can see wasnt indicating either. Biker was way too close to the cars and he should have given some thought to the fact that he was coming off a roundabout, thats where every vehicle picks up speed.
If the guy had been doing 60 there he still would have been killed

martinw · 06-15-2009, 12:59 PM

Although the car driver might have seen him approaching from behind if he hadn't been doing over a ton

One second he's not there the next second he is.

This is probably not a popular opinion on a bikers forum but you can't expect car drivers to judge distances of motorcycles when they're doing that kind of speed.

setanta · 06-15-2009, 1:08 PM

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Originally Posted by martinw

Although the car driver might have seen him approaching from behind if he hadn't been doing over a ton

One second he's not there the next second he is.

This is probably not a popular opinion on a bikers forum but you can't expect car drivers to judge distances of motorcycles when they're doing that kind of speed.

I agree with you which is why I also said he was way to close to the cars.
But if the car driver had checked properly he would have seen the bike coming on the outside and waited, he should have checked for a vehicle of any sort, he just pulled out.

martinw · 06-15-2009, 1:10 PM

Agreed

Before you re-edited it

Mirror-signal-manoeuvre, I can only surmise that if someone is approaching you at over a ton you have to go, mirror-signal (which it looks like he never did, although how many times do you overtake on your bike without signalling ......... honestly

)-mirror-manoeuvre.

I had a similar incident in a car I was driving when a guy pulled out in front of me whilst I was attempting to overtake him. I was forced off the road and I rolled the car, luckily I was unhurt.

Of course I wasn't doing anything near that speed (honest m'lud) but I found it hard afterwards to justify his actions with my actions if you see what I mean and lay the blame completely at his door.

ghbzorro · 06-15-2009, 1:11 PM

Site is blocked here. Just as well?

Twincam · 06-15-2009, 1:41 PM

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Originally Posted by setanta

But if the car driver had checked properly he would have seen the bike coming on the outside and waited, he should have checked for a vehicle of any sort, he just pulled out.

I've watched it again and again, but IMO the motorcyclist was 60% to blame.

Car drivers (and any other drivers for that matter (who are not motorcyclists)) usually do the Mirror, Signal and then Maneuver Routine before pulling out... Unless they are pulling away from a junction you tend not to do life saver/shoulder checks.

It seems as if the biker who was knocked off got a bit excited when he saw his mates/another bike and in deed drove recklessly.

Cars should check for Motorcyclists, but its up to the biker to always think what if. Never take things for granted, if it doesn't look safe, don't do it.

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Originally Posted by ghbzorro

Site is blocked here. Just as well?

Well basically a motorcyclist has just turned off of a round-a-bout and is following a row of traffic... He then decides to go on the outside of the traffic and over take the line of cars at a speed which had not allowed him time nor space to swerve out of the way of a car wanting to overtake the car infront (who was also in that line). As a result he is thrown into the on-comming traffic.

TBH I wouldn't have expected the car to pull out, but you always have to expect the unexpected.

Ride Safe.

martinw · 06-15-2009, 1:41 PM

A few before and after shots

setanta · 06-15-2009, 1:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ghbzorro

Site is blocked here. Just as well?

Twincam · 06-15-2009, 2:07 PM

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Originally Posted by martinw

A few before and after shots

Was a nice car - shame it ended up that way!

bumble blade · 06-15-2009, 2:19 PM

if anyone thinks the car driver was in anyway at fault your crazy.
the rider was a complete twat. riding at that speed when youve just left a roundabout is stupid and will always end in tears if not today then maybe tommorow.ride safe and think about your own actions.sorry i dont agree with the magority.

martinw · 06-15-2009, 2:52 PM

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Was a nice car - shame it ended up that way!

Aye, I was gutted, you really have to think, what is the most stupidest thing the driver in front of me can do and drive/ride accordingly.

setanta · 06-15-2009, 3:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Twincam

I've watched it again and again, but IMO the motorcyclist was 60% to blame.

Car drivers (and any other drivers for that matter (who are not motorcyclists)) usually do the Mirror, Signal and then Maneuver Routine before pulling out... Unless they are pulling away from a junction you tend not to do life saver/shoulder checks.

It seems as if the biker who was knocked off got a bit excited when he saw his mates/another bike and in deed drove recklessly.

Cars should check for Motorcyclists, but its up to the biker to always think what if. Never take things for granted, if it doesn't look safe, don't do it.

Well basically a motorcyclist has just turned off of a round-a-bout and is following a row of traffic... He then decides to go on the outside of the traffic and over take the line of cars at a speed which had not allowed him time nor space to swerve out of the way of a car wanting to overtake the car infront (who was also in that line). As a result he is thrown into the on-comming traffic.

TBH I wouldn't have expected the car to pull out, but you always have to expect the unexpected.

Ride Safe.

I would expect a car to pull out in this scenario, traffic has become bottlenecked so its the perfect time to get pass the slow car in front. In regards to the biker Im not going to keep repeating myself.

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Originally Posted by martinw

A few before and after shots

Why you posting these pics of that car

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Originally Posted by bumble blade

if anyone thinks the car driver was in anyway at fault your crazy.
the rider was a complete twat. riding at that speed when youve just left a roundabout is stupid and will always end in tears if not today then maybe tommorow.ride safe and think about your own actions.sorry i dont agree with the magority.

I dont think thats a very good test for insanity. But the car driver has to take some of the blame, that bike was on the outside for some period with a bright light on, one or two checks would have alerted the driver to the bike. But it was terrible obs by the biker I agree

jazzy · 06-15-2009, 3:42 PM

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Originally Posted by martinw

Although the car driver might have seen him approaching from behind if he hadn't been doing over a ton

One second he's not there the next second he is.

This is probably not a popular opinion on a bikers forum but you can't expect car drivers to judge distances of motorcycles when they're doing that kind of speed.

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Originally Posted by bumble blade

if anyone thinks the car driver was in anyway at fault your crazy.
the rider was a complete twat. riding at that speed when youve just left a roundabout is stupid and will always end in tears if not today then maybe tommorow.ride safe and think about your own actions.sorry i dont agree with the magority.

He shouldn't have been crossing the jagged lines anyway, or the car driver that sealed his fate. Terrible waste. Thoughts go to his family and friends.

setanta · 06-15-2009, 3:43 PM

Ops Martin I missed your post about the car sorry

martinw · 06-15-2009, 4:15 PM

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Ops Martin I missed your post about the car sorry

Nae bother

bumble blade · 06-15-2009, 4:43 PM

fact of the matter isthe rider was a complete arse.the car driver would have had no time to react because of the speed in which the motorbike was traveling. if the biker had been thinking about the road ahead he would of seen traffic slowing in front and ridden in a more defencesive mode than just balls out speed.we can all travel at insane speeds but the fact is theres other road users out there which are more dangerous to us as motorbikers.we are vunrable which means we have to have are wits about us every time we turn the key and throw are leg over what ever bike we ride.sometimes it means reacting for other people for what they might do if that makes any sence.lets not excuse stupidity and look for scape goats. fact is the biker was riding at an insane speed for the road conditions in front of him. lets have fun but safely.

jazzy · 06-15-2009, 4:48 PM

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Originally Posted by bumble blade

fact of the matter isthe rider was a complete arse.the car driver would have had no time to react because of the speed in which the motorbike was traveling. if the biker had been thinking about the road ahead he would of seen traffic slowing in front and ridden in a more defencesive mode than just balls out speed.we can all travel at insane speeds but the fact is theres other road users out there which are more dangerous to us as motorbikers.we are vunrable which means we have to have are wits about us every time we turn the key and throw are leg over what ever bike we ride.sometimes it means reacting for other people for what they might do if that makes any sence.lets not excuse stupidity and look for scape goats. fact is the biker was riding at an insane speed for the road conditions in front of him. lets have fun but safely.

100% agreement.

fistofmeat · 06-15-2009, 5:03 PM

i would have to say it was mostly the riders bad judgment. you shouldn't be that reckless in heavy city traffic. bad enough most car drivers don't care about motorcyclists, throw in the fact that he probably didn't notice the rider and something bad was bound to happen. my condolences. even i myself have missed bikes in my mirrors driving my car after only glancing back.

tattyswad · 06-15-2009, 6:26 PM

He got bike rage pure and simple, he didnt want to be overtaken by the rider with the camera who to be fair went round the roundabout in the wrong lane. When alls said and done though he's responsible for his own actions and the other riders shouldnt have gotten to him. Also he did accelerate fairly hard and its possible the driver did check and the bike simply wasnt there at the point he looked.
Should always leave yourself a second option but i'm as guilty as anyone for not always following my own advice

ghbzorro · 06-15-2009, 6:35 PM

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Originally Posted by setanta

I didn't get to see it. I therefore did not know whether I missed seeing some horrific pictures.

Clear for you now?

setanta · 06-15-2009, 7:47 PM

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Originally Posted by tattyswad

He got bike rage pure and simple, he didnt want to be overtaken by the rider with the camera who to be fair went round the roundabout in the wrong lane. When alls said and done though he's responsible for his own actions and the other riders shouldnt have gotten to him. Also he did accelerate fairly hard and its possible the driver did check and the bike simply wasnt there at the point he looked.
Should always leave yourself a second option but i'm as guilty as anyone for not always following my own advice

I was wondering about the stupid move after coming off the roundabout myself but I came to the conclusion that he was probably waved on as the rider with the camera wanted to stay behind to film

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Originally Posted by ghbzorro

I didn't get to see it. I therefore did not know whether I missed seeing some horrific pictures.

Clear for you now?

no you have used big words bad man

Twincam · 06-15-2009, 7:57 PM

People usually think other road users are mind readers - the video goes to show that not all of them are.

vville123 · 06-15-2009, 7:59 PM

I can't comment on the speed cause I can't tell what he was doing VS what was posted.

But it is proof you should always leave yourself a way out even if it's dirt, gravel or grass all are better anyday than a car.

setanta · 06-15-2009, 8:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Twincam

People usually think other road users are mind readers - the video goes to show that not all of them are.

Thats true what we really need to do is to think for the other road users and dont give them any credit.

If that had a been me I would have been worried about that car possibly overtaking.

Mind you the driver was overtaking into uncoming traffirc too

vville123 · 06-15-2009, 8:43 PM

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Originally Posted by setanta

Thats true what we really need to do is to think for the other road users and dont give them any credit.

If that had a been me I would have been worried about that car possibly overtaking.

Mind you the driver was overtaking into uncoming traffirc too

I tend hang back let the cages get settled in, and then make my move through.

setanta · 06-15-2009, 8:52 PM

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Originally Posted by vville123

I tend hang back let the cages get settled in, and then make my move through.

Have to agree with you, I have been thinking something all day. I have driven longer than biking and as I said before I would have been weary of that black car, is that because Im a fast driver and would have been thinking like the driver when on the bike? Does that make sense to you?

LoopyLee · 06-16-2009, 4:15 AM

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Originally Posted by ghbzorro

I didn't get to see it. I therefore did not know whether I missed seeing some horrific pictures.

Clear for you now?

No you didn't miss anything awful... The video was cut just as he went into the path of the oncoming van.. At that point your imagination can take over and, well, the out come my head came up with definately isn't pretty

macca9540 · 06-16-2009, 4:49 AM

Thats not nice at all, so sorry for the family and friends loss, but it's a reality that if we ride dangerously the consequences are costly.

dicknose · 06-16-2009, 5:26 AM

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Originally Posted by setanta

But the car driver has to take some of the blame, that bike was on the outside for some period with a bright light on, one or two checks would have alerted the driver to the bike. But it was terrible obs by the biker I agree

Cant see any reason that the car would be to blame.
Legally he would be in the right.

There was only a single lane. The bike was overtaking "in the same lane".
The car didnt change lanes, it moved within its own lane to overtake a car that was going slow and had moved over to let people pass (the lane is wide)

If you pass someone in the same lane as them its your responsibility to make sure its safe.

The car made sure it could safely pass the other car while in the same lane.
The bike clearly didnt do the same check (he attempted to be 3 vehicles wide in a single lane)

Would be different if there was several lanes and the car did a lane change - but he didnt, he just moved within his own lane.

Bike rider was an idiot - I think we all agree.
But I cant see that the car driver did anything wrong - you are approaching a car that is slow and moved left and you move to your right a bit, but stay in your lane, I dont think you would look to see if anyone else is overtaking you. Dont you you would legally be required to do so.