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hi,

I purchased a '95 Honda RVF400 from Exotic Rare Bikes ExoticRareBikes.com listed as:

They are very rare in the US and even more so in this condition.
MINT shape Honda RVF 400 NC35
Clean and Clear Title
Running Strong
18,766 Miles

She starts, runs and rides great! Everything works idles smooth and runs strong. This bike always draws a crowd.

I followed up with several emails asking for full disclousure on condition - cosmetic and mechanical. They responded that the only issues were no owners manual, tool kit and only one key.

I proceeded with the transaction beleiving they were honest. Repeated phone calls and promisies for them to address my concerns have gone on for weeks with no results.

Here is the true condition:

1) Oil leak - right clutch cover - significant
2) Corroded cases both sides, valve covers; entire engine cases
3) Frame ding
4) Blotch of red touch up on gouged front fender
5) Broken inner fairing tab
6) Heavily rusted chain
7) Not running - wont start
8) heavily scratched windshield
9) fouled plugs
10) fuel tap wrong causing engine flooding and filling the crankcases with gase

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hi,

I purchased a '95 Honda RVF400 from Exotic Rare Bikes ExoticRareBikes.com listed as:

They are very rare in the US and even more so in this condition.
MINT shape Honda RVF 400 NC35
Clean and Clear Title
Running Strong
18,766 Miles

She starts, runs and rides great! Everything works idles smooth and runs strong. This bike always draws a crowd.

I followed up with several emails asking for full disclousure on condition - cosmetic and mechanical. They responded that the only issues were no owners manual, tool kit and only one key.

I proceeded with the transaction beleiving they were honest. Repeated phone calls and promisies for them to address my concerns have gone on for weeks with no results.

Here is the true condition:

1) Oil leak - right clutch cover - significant
2) Corroded cases both sides, valve covers; entire engine cases
3) Frame ding
4) Blotch of red touch up on gouged front fender
5) Broken inner fairing tab
6) Heavily rusted chain
7) Not running - wont start
8) heavily scratched windshield
9) fouled plugs
10) fuel tap wrong causing engine flooding and filling the crankcases with gase
I guess it's time to use the court system, Right?
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Re: beware of exoticrarebikes.com

If you have all the original e-mails I would contact the DAs office.

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Re: beware of exoticrarebikes.com

hi,

I am in CA and they are in TX the legal expense and hassel would most likely not be worth it. At this point I hope I can help someone not be trusting of the motorcycles they are offering. I knew I was taking a chance purchasing site unseen.
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Yep, you can file a complaint with the BBB, the chamber of Commerce, and Local DA's office. Generally when the Local Chamber calls they start to perk up.
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hi,

I am in CA and they are in TX the legal expense and hassel would most likely not be worth it. At this point I hope I can help someone not be trusting of the motorcycles they are offering. I knew I was taking a chance purchasing site unseen.
If you contact the local BBB or local DA in TX they will help. it will cost you nothing but time to find the right contact information.

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Re: beware of exoticrarebikes.com

Charlie - how did you post payment for the transaction? Did you mail a money order or check? If so, mail fraud (federal offense) could also be subject or at least as leverage to influence a resolution.

Any criminal or tort attorneys in the org that could comment?
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Re: beware of exoticrarebikes.com

Thanks for the warning, word of mouth is priceless. One of their adds caught my eye yesterday. I am not in the market for an other bike but the price was so cheap I briefly thought about it. Deffinently file a report with the BBB at least to give them a black mark on their record so others know before hand.
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Re: beware of exoticrarebikes.com

Hi,

I paid via bank wire after I had a photocopy of the title. That was the only way they would go ahead with payment outside of me taking a trip to Texas to pay and retrieve. I took the advice and filed a compliant with the local BBB in Texas.

Do you think the DA would actually do anything?

TIA
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Hi,

I paid via bank wire after I had a photocopy of the title. That was the only way they would go ahead with payment outside of me taking a trip to Texas to pay and retrieve. I took the advice and filed a compliant with the local BBB in Texas.

Do you think the DA would actually do anything?

TIA
Often it is good to file with the Chamber of commerce of the state where the business is located. In Some Places the Chamber has more pull than the BBB. So, filing with both is a good thing. Besides if both agencies start calling, and it may strike stronger, and show that you are more serious. If those to options fail it will show the DA office that you have tried to get a resolution before bringing it to them, and that it is not frivolous.
Also, We can all learn from this, purchasing anything online should be done only via a credit card, or other means of recoverable funding. If a seller demands that it be paid via wire transfer, or other non-recoverable form of funding, should be cause for suspicion. A photo copy of the title is nothing, and worth only the value of the paper it is on, if not less. TIA is correct worth case scenario they now own a project bike that is actually a rare find in the US, and we all get the benefit of learning from the situation. Best Case I would expect would be Tia has a project bike, we learn from it, and TIA gets a little piece of their money back.
BTW, I bet the bike you bought will be awesome once you get the issues worked out. Just looking for the good in the situation.
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