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Fireblade - Down shifting from 5th to 2nd gear

Silly question - but I'm just wondering if this is normal for a 2011 CBR 1000RR, or is it just me.

When I'm riding on 5th gear and want to slow down, I would brake and down shift to 2nd. If I do this by squeezing and holding the clutch while down shifting all the way to 2nd, I find that the bike won't let me. I would get to down shift one gear or maybe two and will have to release the clutch a little for the bike to drop into gear before down shifting more.

Is this normal for a 2011 CBR 1000? Does anyone have similar experiences?
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Re: Fireblade - Down shifting from 5th to 2nd gear

could be a "feature" of the slipper clutch perhaps..?



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Re: Fireblade - Down shifting from 5th to 2nd gear

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Silly question - but I'm just wondering if this is normal for a 2011 CBR 1000RR, or is it just me.

When I'm riding on 5th gear and want to slow down, I would brake and down shift to 2nd. If I do this by squeezing and holding the clutch while down shifting all the way to 2nd, I find that the bike won't let me. I would get to down shift one gear or maybe two and will have to release the clutch a little for the bike to drop into gear before down shifting more.

Is this normal for a 2011 CBR 1000? Does anyone have similar experiences?

Being a sequential box it really should go through each gear in turn.

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Re: Fireblade - Down shifting from 5th to 2nd gear

Exactly. Shift through each gear properly, don't just hold in the clutch and keep clicking on the shifter.

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Re: Fireblade - Down shifting from 5th to 2nd gear

Sometimes you have to brake in a hurry and want to shift to the lowest gear to get you going again. I've got no problem with this though cause I can manage, but wondering if that's normal for the 2011 fireblade.
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Sometimes you have to brake in a hurry and want to shift to the lowest gear to get you going again. I've got no problem with this though cause I can manage, but wondering if that's normal for the 2011 fireblade.

I would consider this to be normal for most bikes, although some are better than others. But generally, you need to fully engage each gear before moving to the next one, particularly at lower speeds, and absolutely when stationary.

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Sometimes you have to brake in a hurry and want to shift to the lowest gear to get you going again. I've got no problem with this though cause I can manage, but wondering if that's normal for the 2011 fireblade.

Even braking in a hurry you can still downshift (including blipping the throttle on each shift). The only event in which you you don't have time is in an emergency (and even then you can).

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No idea never use the clutch




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No idea never use the clutch

Me either :-)

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Re: Fireblade - Down shifting from 5th to 2nd gear

Assuming that they put a feature in the new bikes, you have to think of it in a way the new Car Manu-Matic/Auto stick transmissions work. Cars wont let you down shift more than 2 gears because the engine revolutions would bounce off the limiter like crazy, can potentially blow the engine...

Bikes never really had that option because as a true manual transmission would work, you can choose what ever gear you want and control the engine the way you want. I don't normally down shift more than 2 gears car or bike though

It may be a feature but cannot confirm that
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Re: Fireblade - Down shifting from 5th to 2nd gear

As long as the chain is moving you should be able to down shift or up shift into any gear by "clicking" the shift lever. When you come to a stop the output shaft stops (chain stop) and you may need to let the clutch out a little to get some movement into the transmission to advance or retard gear selection.

I'd like a video of the two guys who say they never use their clutch in city traffic. LOL
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As long as the chain is moving you should be able to down shift or up shift into any gear by "clicking" the shift lever. When you come to a stop the output shaft stops (chain stop) and you may need to let the clutch out a little to get some movement into the transmission to advance or retard gear selection.

I'd like a video of the two guys who say they never use their clutch in city traffic. LOL

Why would you want a video?
Shifting without using the clutch is exactly the same as shifting with it, just smoother.
If you mean at near walking pace, then yes, you generally have the clutch in most of the time and just feed it out occasionally to keep you rolling. Of course, it's much smarter to simply avoid city traffic entirely ;-)

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Re: Fireblade - Down shifting from 5th to 2nd gear

They make race shifting kits for shifting with out the clutch too...

oh yeah and to the OP, i know you said you brake and shift down 3 gears, another reason why thats unsafe because if you ever down shift 3 gears with out the break, just clutch, you can potentially go down. Often times you can feel the the wheels whip back from the amount of force that is put on the chain at a high rpm... never really good to do on 2 wheels
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They make race shifting kits for shifting with out the clutch too...

oh yeah and to the OP, i know you said you brake and shift down 3 gears, another reason why thats unsafe because if you ever down shift 3 gears with out the break, just clutch, you can potentially go down. Often times you can feel the the wheels whip back from the amount of force that is put on the chain at a high rpm... never really good to do on 2 wheels

Sure they do, but you don't need any kit to do so, it's a fully-synchronised transmission.
Your description sounds like you are referring to compression lockup of the rear wheel because you aren't blipping the throttle on your downshifts?
You must raise the revs up to where they need to be before you re-engage the clutch.

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As long as the chain is moving you should be able to down shift or up shift into any gear by "clicking" the shift lever. When you come to a stop the output shaft stops (chain stop) and you may need to let the clutch out a little to get some movement into the transmission to advance or retard gear selection.

I'd like a video of the two guys who say they never use their clutch in city traffic. LOL
... Should I add my point in with theirs?

I dont use my clutch... I will admit I have a quick shifter, so going up doesnt matter.. but I still downshift.

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