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954 Cold start ticking/clicking

Can anyone tell me exactly what the cause of this is?

Upon starting the engine when it's cold, there is an audible ticking/clickety-clacking coming from the engine top-end area. At first I thought it was the injectors ticking, but it goes away after about 1:30-2:00 of idling.
The fact that it takes about 2 min to go away tells me it shouldn't be the valvetrain being starved of oil, as it only takes a few seconds for the oil to circulate through the engine.
I just switched to Amsoil 20w50 full synth oil but it also did that with the Rotella T oil the previous owner used.
Now, once the ticking stops, it runs and pulls normally.
Could it be that the valves need adjustment (it only has 7100 miles on it), and that once they warm up and expand, they don't clack?
Could it actually be the injectors pushing more than normal fuel through to richen up the mixture for the cold engine, that's causing the temporary ticking?
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Re: 954 Cold start ticking/clicking

Is it coming from the headers?

More than likely just the oil warming up and circulating the machines beautiful body

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Re: 954 Cold start ticking/clicking

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Is it coming from the headers?

More than likely just the oil warming up and circulating the machines beautiful body
I know it's coming from the head/top end area, and it almost seems to be more pronounced behind the head, than in front where the headers are.
I'm almost positive that it's either something in the valve-train, or the injectors.
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Re: 954 Cold start ticking/clicking

I do know that a lot of these bikes do this prior to warming up. I know of some who have subsequently changed the cam chain tensioner which did not resolve the ticking.

It's oil circulating or the tappets or both.

Don't worry, it is normal with 954s

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Don't worry, it is normal with 954s
That's what I wanted to hear. I figured it was normal in some sense, else if it were a malfunction of some sort, it would show somewhere else as well, and the fact that it runs like a scalded dog otherwise.
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Re: 954 Cold start ticking/clicking

Yes don't worry about it, I've had 5 954's over the years, and they have all had a ticking/tapping noise when cold, as long as it goes away once warm, its nothing to worry about, also the 954's have very thin engine cases, which makes the noise seem louder than it is.
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That's what I wanted to hear. I figured it was normal in some sense, else if it were a malfunction of some sort, it would show somewhere else as well, and the fact that it runs like a scalded dog otherwise.
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Re: 954 Cold start ticking/clicking

Yeah normal. Ive read in a few places that its because in the cold weather/overnight, some of the parts shrink a little (i think its valve shims or o-rings or something) and it gets back to normal when the engine is warmed up.

I used to park my bike behind my house in the shade, i always heard a tick but now i park in front the house when its in direct sunlight for the greater part of day and it stopped happening.
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Re: 954 Cold start ticking/clicking

Do this happens in case of oil cooled engines? It never happened with me but sometimes it reflects knocking problem but I take over it with normal warm up.
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Do this happens in case of oil cooled engines? It never happened with me but sometimes it reflects knocking problem but I take over it with normal warm up.
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Definitely not a knocking issue with me. I use non-ethanol 93 octane fuel (and most of the time I add Seafoam to a tank as well).

nyknick, that explanation makes quite a bit of sense. I know these engines have fairly tight tolerances and any sort of metal contraction due to cooler weather might indeed cause that clacking, until the metal warms up.

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Re: 954 Cold start ticking/clicking

20w-50 is a very thick oil for this bike, it's like marmelade in cold weather!!!
You should use 10w-40 as recommended by Honda, especially in winter.
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20w-50 is a very thick oil for this bike, it's like marmelade in cold weather!!!
You should use 10w-40 as recommended by Honda, especially in winter.
It is a very thick oil but that '54's coolant temp will get over 100 deg/c when sitting at a stop light (even in this weather) and is normally around 85 deg when riding (regardless of speed). Thicker oil cools (absorbs heat) better, and isn't too different from the thinner viscosity oil when the engines get that warm.
I did lose a few mpg when I switched to 20/50 but I feel that the extra protection it provides, is worth it.
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Re: 954 Cold start ticking/clicking

sometimes higher weights mask oil leaks... even though you can use it, you should switch back every once in a while
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Re: 954 Cold start ticking/clicking

im so gald you posted this cause my 03 does it to and i was worried.
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Re: 954 Cold start ticking/clicking

Im hearing a noise too. Wondering if its normal to hear sounds from the clutch engaged while in neutral. It gets softer as the bike warms up, but persists? Thanks.
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