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Finally up and running! Few problems (pics inside)

So I finally got my "stuntfighter" project just about complete. Its still a polished turd in the rough, but I'm about to start cleaning up a bunch of wiring.

Few issues I have

#1. At higher speeds, then using the front brakes then front end will wobble just a little. I suspect worn axle bearings. Correct?

#2 I changed the plugs and moved some wiring on top of the motor around. When I reconnected the coil wiring, I think I might have switched #2 and #3. I have it hooked up like the "driver side"(closest to stator) is #1. So the wire with the blue tape is connected to #2.(Maybe im wrong?) So the issue is below 2500 RPM it is sluggish but above that it runs like a scalded dog. It has a full two bro exhaust including header, so that exhaust servo stuff isnt there, and also the servo that controls the flap in the airbox has been removed. It is running rich. I'm thinking a PC maybe?(non cali bike btw)

3# Only when bringing the front tire of the ground the bike will BELLOW out some white smoke. It only does it when I wheelie. Any ideas there? And its not a clutch up wheelie, just a throttle up in 1st/2nd... And from what i was told its not just a little bit. They described it as a huge burnout. Another rider couldn't see passed it. But if i ream it with both wheels down, nothing happens.


The second pic is just missing the tail light
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Re: Finally up and running! Few problems (pics inside)

#1 Maybe a sticky caliper or a slightly tweaked/warped rotor. G/L and have fun
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Re: Finally up and running! Few problems (pics inside)

Same thought for number 1.

Number 2: the bike will run like crap below 2500 rpm. Same as most motorcycle engines. Don't run that low in the rpm range.

Number 3: As for wheelies, open up the airbox and take a look. My guess is that you're getting oil coming through the crankcase breather tube, into the airbox, and then it's burning when the bike's upright. Do you run higher than normal oil levels for stunting reasons?

If the bike isn't braking properly, you don't start by rebuilding the engine.
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Re: Finally up and running! Few problems (pics inside)

THanks. Let me rephrase #2.

Part throttle in lower RPMs seem "bouncy" sounds like theres a miss. One think I'm worried about is the two middle coils wires swapped. which one does the blue tape one goto? 2500rpm might be a little low. maybe 4000 or so. but i can keep the throttle steady and you can feel it go from sluggish to normal. I got the bike a few months ago. I'll be doing an oil change this weekend and putting the recommended amount of oil in it, but I will open up the airbox today and check and post back. Thanks!

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Re: Finally up and running! Few problems (pics inside)

#1 is a sticky caliper/bent rotor/ need to bleed brakes. Usually when your wheels wobble like that its a brake problem. could be one caliper is catching and not the other due to seized or even air in one of them.

#2, if it has a power commander, plug it in and check the map... I had flat spots once on my bike and it was that the map read -E- during those intervals which means error. Upload a new map (all can be found at the powercommander website). Also the servo sometimes has wire harness that goes to it (depending on the bike) so make sure that it was appropriately dealt with if was fully removed. Search to see what people have done to the wire harness. it usually opens up around that rpm

#3 that sounds like maybe you have a leak somewhere. White smoke means coolant, blue smoke means oil. Before you start the season (its still a bit early) i would do some maintenance to the engine gasket wise
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Re: Finally up and running! Few problems (pics inside)

I Did Put New Stainless Steel Brake Lines And Thought I Bled Them Properly, But Will Give It Another Try. It Only Happens At Higher Speeds Also.

I Do Not Have A Power Commander, So I Think The Full Aftermarket System Is Causing Issues, IWill Been Gettin One Soon.

I Figured Out The Smoke. Its Not In The Motor, But The Coolant Tank Has Some Leaks DueTo Melting From The Heat. So When I Bring The Wheel Up, Or Brake Hard It Splashes Onto The Exhaust.

But Now My Stator Is Going Out. When I Ride During The Day Without The Headlight i Can Ride Fine. But At Night When I Use The Headlight The Charging System Is To Weak. When I Give It Has, I Can See The Dash Lights Get A Little Brighter Until The RPMs Go Back Down. I Got A Ricks Stator For 60 Brand New.

As For The Gasket, Is It Reusable Or No?

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Re: Finally up and running! Few problems (pics inside)

1 - sounds like a disc out of true. get the front off the ground, put the end of a wrench next to the rotor then give the wheel a spin as you watch for clearence differences as the rotor is spinning.
2 - sounds like fpr to me. remove the small vac line, turn key on to prime pump and see if fpr drips gas out of the vacuum nipple. Are you getting crappy gas mileage?
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1 - sounds like a disc out of true. get the front off the ground, put the end of a wrench next to the rotor then give the wheel a spin as you watch for clearence differences as the rotor is spinning.
2 - sounds like fpr to me. remove the small vac line, turn key on to prime pump and see if fpr drips gas out of the vacuum nipple. Are you getting crappy gas mileage?
I'm going to check the discs this weekend.

I've got more info and a new issue,

The FPR seems fine. No fuel was coming out of it. And yes I'm getting crappy mileage. On a cold start up im blowing black smoke out of the exhaust when reved up. The running rich is enough that my clothes smell like bunrnt exhaust.

I replaced my stator last night and I'm still having charging issues. Its very weak. If I dont run my headlight then its barley enough to keep the battery charged.(at night i can see the gauge lights get a little brighter when higher revs but then go dimmer at lower rpms.) Once I turn on my acerbis(I only have the projector hooked up) it will start draining the battery then eventually will die after a while. Removing the battery while idle, the bike dies immediatly. The R/R looks to be new, but I havent tested it yet. I do have a multimeter, so what should I check next?

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Re: Finally up and running! Few problems (pics inside)

Hey Cavalry, are you running a power commander with that Two Bro's pipe?
If so, you've bypassed it right?

I guess I'd check the AC voltage from each of the three legs of the stator since you just replaced that. The bike is running, so be VERY careful with this test. I've never done it, but others that know say 55 to 85V from each leg. You're looking for consistancy here. All three legs should be very close in V output.
The manual doesn't even go into that test. Here's what the manual shows for testing the stator.



Then I'd check the Reg/Rec to see how much voltage it's putting out. At 5000rpm highbeam on, charge should be between 13.5 and 15.5. At idle it should not drop below 13.5. Any less than that and your battery wont charge much, if any.

Hope that helps.

Here's another decent article all about the charging systems for bikes that use stator-reg/rec system.
http://<u>http://www.electrexworld.c...G-&-RR.pdf</u>
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Hey Cavalry, are you running a power commander with that Two Bro's pipe?
If so, you've bypassed it right?

I guess I'd check the AC voltage from each of the three legs of the stator since you just replaced that. The bike is running, so be VERY careful with this test. I've never done it, but others that know say 55 to 85V from each leg. You're looking for consistancy here. All three legs should be very close in V output.
The manual doesn't even go into that test. Here's what the manual shows for testing the stator.



Then I'd check the Reg/Rec to see how much voltage it's putting out. At 5000rpm highbeam on, charge should be between 13.5 and 15.5. At idle it should not drop below 13.5. Any less than that and your battery wont charge much, if any.

Hope that helps.

Here's another decent article all about the charging systems for bikes that use stator-reg/rec system.
http://<u>http://www.electrexworld.c...G-&-RR.pdf</u>
I replaced the stator with a new Ricks last night.

I do not run a PC. Just stock ECU.

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Re: Finally up and running! Few problems (pics inside)

So where you at now? Any headway?
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Re: Finally up and running! Few problems (pics inside)

Its been nasty here the last couple of days. Once it clears up I'm going to work on it. Once I get the charging issue fixed then its onto the running rich.

I checked the FPR and wasnt leaking but I think I remember a little bit of rust at my finger tip from the FPR vacuum tip...

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Re: Finally up and running! Few problems (pics inside)

Ok, so I tested my rectifier and it seems to be in spec.

What I want to do now is bypass the wire harness create my own to rule out faulty wiring. I'm not sure exactly what I need to do with the two red and two green wires coming out of the R/R.

Also, my next question...

Can faulty grounds cause the bike to run extremely rich? I know it could possibly cause charging issues.

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Re: Finally up and running! Few problems (pics inside)

Anybody have any insight?

It seems wiring goes from the rectifier to the ignition switch then out. also goes directly to the battery pretty much.

Could I connect one of the red wires directly to the battery with a 30AMP fuse in between?

I also relocated the ignition switch to the trunk and used 18 gauge speaker wire to make a connection and connected a toggle switch to one of the red wires. I'm wondering if that could be an issue of the charging system also?

I'm wanting to work on this today when I get off work so any input would be good.

Does anybody know of any places to look for bad wiring? The stator is brand new and rectifier tests fine.

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Re: Finally up and running! Few problems (pics inside)

Charging issue VIDEO. This is with the headlight off


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