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Can I use a 2008 steering damper?

Can anyone tell me how the 2008 Blade steering damper works? I know it's electrical but is it electronic? Is it fed from the ECU or does it just have a 12v supply? I want to retrofit one that i've just bought off Ebay to my 929 special. The mechanical bit will be dead easy but I need to understand how the unit works.
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Re: Can I use a 2008 steering damper?

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Can anyone tell me how the 2008 Blade steering damper works? I know it's electrical but is it electronic? Is it fed from the ECU or does it just have a 12v supply? I want to retrofit one that i've just bought off Ebay to my 929 special. The mechanical bit will be dead easy but I need to understand how the unit works.

Never seen one but I believe it runs on signals from the ECU so I doubt it'd work well on something else.
It might be possible to circumvent the electronic valving though and run it like any other hydraulic unit. I don't imagine it's going to work well though. OEM steering dampers aren't generally considered to be good quality kit.

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Re: Can I use a 2008 steering damper?

To be honest you would have been better off spending the money on an aftermarket, straight hydraulic unit.

The damper does work on input from speed and throttle position (IIRC), but I don't know how the info's transferred to the unit itself.

If the bike isn't braking properly, you don't start by rebuilding the engine.
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Re: Can I use a 2008 steering damper?

OK the unit arrived today. Bargain of the century off Ebay or maybe a useless piece of sophisticated kit? It's a KYB unit with only 2 wire connections. Un-connected it offers a reasonable degree of damping and connected to a straight 12v supply it stiffens up significantly. I guess what I need to know is if the CBR 1000 (2008 onwards) steering dampening increases progressively with increased speed or if it just a 2 position system? It's a tough question since it's really difficult to physically check but maybe someone knows?
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Re: Can I use a 2008 steering damper?

The "map" it uses is based on throttle position, acceleration and speed.


If the bike isn't braking properly, you don't start by rebuilding the engine.
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Re: Can I use a 2008 steering damper?

Thanks Sky.
I see that you are a regular contributor to the technical issues on here.
The graph you have posted appears to show a very sharp ramp from low speed to high speed.
I think that if I was to attach a switch which enabled my unit operate at full damping effort then I would have a very similar (if manually operated) damper to that on the latest cbr1000?
What do you think?
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Re: Can I use a 2008 steering damper?

I'm thinking you could rig up a 12 volt potentiometer/rheostat (variable resistor) to it, so you could literally turn a dial if you want more or less damping.

If the bike isn't braking properly, you don't start by rebuilding the engine.
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Re: Can I use a 2008 steering damper?

I don't think that's really a practical solution?
I could live with an on-off switch but a progressive dial-in is too much to think about when you're gunning it!
Where did the graph come from?
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Re: Can I use a 2008 steering damper?

Honda's own website about the HESD - it's on page 5.

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A rheostat only has 2 connections, so it's the same as wiring in a switch.

If the bike isn't braking properly, you don't start by rebuilding the engine.
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