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954 to 929

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Can anyone help, I have converted my 954 to 929 due to cannot find a motor for my 954. I have done the conversion but Iam down to the left hand switch for the high beam and indicators. Can any help me out on how to convert or show me a pic of wiring in the 954 wiring into the 929 harness or do I have to use a 929 like everything else?
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Can anyone help, I have converted my 954 to 929 due to cannot find a motor for my 954. I have done the conversion but Iam down to the left hand switch for the high beam and indicators. Can any help me out on how to convert or show me a pic of wiring in the 954 wiring into the 929 harness or do I have to use a 929 like everything else?

What do you mean you've "converted" the bike?
All you need to do is swap the engine, nothing else at all.

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Can anyone help, I have converted my 954 to 929 due to cannot find a motor for my 954. I have done the conversion but Iam down to the left hand switch for the high beam and indicators. Can any help me out on how to convert or show me a pic of wiring in the 954 wiring into the 929 harness or do I have to use a 929 like everything else?
The search function will bring up wiring diagrams. As BR said, just swapping the engine should be fine in itself, provided you didn't get American switchgear for the left bars.

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They used the same switch for both bikes......

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Re: 954 to 929

As I found the wiring harness is completly different and had to be changed the rear light plugs are different the locks had to be changed for the engine as the fuel system wont start aswell the whole thing has to be changed, now Iam down to the last bit and the switch's on the left handle bar are differnt aswell. The only thing the same is the motor it bolts straight in.
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Hrm.. I guess fleabay would be the easiest option, or figuring out how to wire everything up from the 54 switch to the 29 switch without having an electrical engineering background... I would say send me the schematics and I'll tell you which colours to connect together =) Getting a 29 loom would probably help, but the sub-looms would also need to be had. Someone link me schematics, the mad scientist must go to work!

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As I found the wiring harness is completly different and had to be changed the rear light plugs are different the locks had to be changed for the engine as the fuel system wont start aswell the whole thing has to be changed, now Iam down to the last bit and the switch's on the left handle bar are differnt aswell. The only thing the same is the motor it bolts straight in.

So why didn't you simply leave everything stock and just swap the engine?
The 954 has LED tail lights, the bank angle sensor is on the front subframe instead of under the seat, different instrument cluster, and some other differences.
The 929 engine works better with the 954 throttle bodies in my opinion so _only_ swap the engine - nothing else at all.

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Hrm.. I guess fleabay would be the easiest option, or figuring out how to wire everything up from the 54 switch to the 29 switch without having an electrical engineering background... I would say send me the schematics and I'll tell you which colours to connect together =) Getting a 29 loom would probably help, but the sub-looms would also need to be had. Someone link me schematics, the mad scientist must go to work!

Replacing the main harness with a 929 harness is a fairly involved job due to the many differences, and a backward step anyway. The 954 ECU and throttle bodies work better.

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Hrm.. I guess fleabay would be the easiest option, or figuring out how to wire everything up from the 54 switch to the 29 switch without having an electrical engineering background... I would say send me the schematics and I'll tell you which colours to connect together =) Getting a 29 loom would probably help, but the sub-looms would also need to be had. Someone link me schematics, the mad scientist must go to work!
https://www.fireblades.org/forums/hon...iring+diagrams

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Re: 954 to 929

To save me starting another thread, am I right in thinking the 929/954 frames are the same, allowing a motor swap without any mods..?
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To save me starting another thread, am I right in thinking the 929/954 frames are the same, allowing a motor swap without any mods..?

No, the frames are different.
But the engines are the same so they are interchangeable.

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Re: 954 to 929

Many thanks Bladeracer, I've come across a low mileage 954 lump with ECU and loom intact, so I'm thinking winter project..!
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Many thanks Bladeracer, I've come across a low mileage 954 lump with ECU and loom intact, so I'm thinking winter project..!

You don't need the wiring or ECU, or anything else. You can simply swap the engine.
If you want to swap the harness then you will have to swap other electrical parts to suit.
Compare the wiring diagrams I posted earlier.

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Re: 954 to 929

Event better!!

I had no idea the ECU was the same on both bikes, would there not have been differences because of the capacity hike from the 929..?
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I had no idea the ECU was the same on both bikes, would there not have been differences because of the capacity hike from the 929..?

The ECU is not the same.
But to swap it requires swapping the entire harness.
The small capacity increase has no significant effect.

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