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2009 Honda CBR1000RA ABS Problem

I have an intermittent problem with the ABS on my 2009 CBR1000RA. I've owned the bike since it was new, it has 12000 miles on it. The problem started this year. Sometimes after riding 50 miles or so I get the fast flashing LED that indicates an ABS failure. After the failure, once I put the ABS in diagnostic mode, I get a diagnostic trouble code of either 5-1 or 5-3, most often 5-3. According to the shop manual this indicates a problem with the front power unit or air bleeding incompletion. As per the procedure, I did the normal front brake line bleeding. Since there was air in the system I figured that would resolve the problem. I reset the diagnostic trouble code, and once again I rode it for 50 miles or so before there was a failure. Next I tried bleeding part of the ABS system as per the instructions in the manual, I didn't do all of it yet because it requires removing the radiator, etc. This also cured the problem for a couple of days, about 100 miles or so. Before I tear it all apart, I thought I'd see if anyone on the forum has had a similar problem with their ABS and what it took to fix it. Any and all suggestions are welcome. Thanks for your help.
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I have an intermittent problem with the ABS on my 2009 CBR1000RA. I've owned the bike since it was new, it has 12000 miles on it. The problem started this year. Sometimes after riding 50 miles or so I get the fast flashing LED that indicates an ABS failure. After the failure, once I put the ABS in diagnostic mode, I get a diagnostic trouble code of either 5-1 or 5-3, most often 5-3. According to the shop manual this indicates a problem with the front power unit or air bleeding incompletion. As per the procedure, I did the normal front brake line bleeding. Since there was air in the system I figured that would resolve the problem. I reset the diagnostic trouble code, and once again I rode it for 50 miles or so before there was a failure. Next I tried bleeding part of the ABS system as per the instructions in the manual, I didn't do all of it yet because it requires removing the radiator, etc. This also cured the problem for a couple of days, about 100 miles or so. Before I tear it all apart, I thought I'd see if anyone on the forum has had a similar problem with their ABS and what it took to fix it. Any and all suggestions are welcome. Thanks for your help.

Problems with the ABS are not rare - I believe a member here had complete loss of brakes on his 1000RR. Have you had a dealer look at it?

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Re: 2009 Honda CBR1000RA ABS Problem

No, I haven't had a dealer look at it yet.
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Re: 2009 Honda CBR1000RA ABS Problem

I am having the exact same problem with my 2009 CBR100RA that you describe in your post. One dealership wanted $2400 to replace the front ABS power unit! Another wants $450 to "properly bleed the brakes". I've already had this done once and only temporarily fixes the issue. Have you had any luck getting this issue resolved?
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Re: 2009 Honda CBR1000RA ABS Problem

I've seen this covered in some 22 pages of steps and conditions to do it, have fun.
http://www.expandingknowledge.com/Je...r_Bleeding.pdf
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I am having the exact same problem with my 2009 CBR100RA that you describe in your post. One dealership wanted $2400 to replace the front ABS power unit! Another wants $450 to "properly bleed the brakes". I've already had this done once and only temporarily fixes the issue. Have you had any luck getting this issue resolved?
I don't know if you're mechanically inclined or not but bleeding the brakes myself helped with the problem for a while. I just did the standard part of the bleeding and kept getting air out of the system every time I did it. Doing the whole bleeding procedure requires taking apart a lot of the bike. I wouldn't try to do it unless you have the manual. I guess that's why the dealer charged so much for it.

Thanks for letting me know that was only a temporary fix in your case too. I'm still working on the problem, I don't want to pay $760.00 for a power unit unless I'm sure that will fix it.

FYI, if you remove the fuse for the ABS, the brakes operate as standard brakes. The ABS is fail-safe. The only issue with that is the ABS light stays on all the time, but at least it's not flashing.

I checked with the dealer to see if there were any service bulletins on the ABS, and naturally he said no. My main complaint is that the ABS was a $1000 option, but any single component in the system is almost $1000. I would never have bought the CBR with the ABS if I had known that it would be so difficult to work on.

Thanks for taking the time to reply. As you can see, I haven't received much feedback on the problem.
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Re: 2009 Honda CBR1000RA ABS Problem

I agree, I would never have paid for this safety feature if I knew it would be such a pain!

I'm not going to take the bike apart unless it becomes apparent the front ABS unit is at fault. I will try the basic brake bleeding to see if it helps. Thanks for the tip about the fuse.

The dealership I went to called Honda about the problem and the response was that they had never heard of this issue...yeah right.

Good luck, I'll post if anything changes.
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I agree, I would never have paid for this safety feature if I knew it would be such a pain!

I'm not going to take the bike apart unless it becomes apparent the front ABS unit is at fault. I will try the basic brake bleeding to see if it helps. Thanks for the tip about the fuse.

The dealership I went to called Honda about the problem and the response was that they had never heard of this issue...yeah right.

Good luck, I'll post if anything changes.
One last question, do you know the fault code you are getting when the ABS fails? I'll let you know if I figure anything else out.
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Re: 2009 Honda CBR1000RA ABS Problem

5-3
Restarting does not clear the fault, but letting the bike sit overnight does!
Heat related?
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Re: 2009 Honda CBR1000RA ABS Problem

Yes, I've wondered about that too. Sometimes just sitting overnight cures it, others it does not. I've noticed that whenever it's cold out it will sometimes last for a 75 mile ride. I think we have the exact same problem. Seems like a design problem to me.

The manual also says that the 5-3 code can be caused by a front brake caliper piston malfunction. I haven't looked at that yet either.

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Re: 2009 Honda CBR1000RA ABS Problem

Hi, I have the same problem. I got the bike with 45000 km on. The previous owner never serviced the brake fluid as he said that it was too complicated. The problem happens only after the bike gets hot and you use the brakes for a while. It never happens when the bike is cold. To me, it is a heat problem, somewhere in the valve or the power unit. Do you know if a complete brake fluid change and bleeding solves the issue, at least for some months, before heat deteriorates the fluid?
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Re: 2009 Honda CBR1000RA ABS Problem

Hi I have the same problem. It happens only after the bike gets hot and you use the brakes for a while. It never happens when the bike is cold. To me, it is a heat problem, somewhere in the valve or the power unit. I will do a complete brake fluid change and bleeding and will let you know if the issue persists.
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Re: 2009 Honda CBR1000RA ABS Problem

The Honda C-ABS system is over complicated and forums across the world have been plagued with problems by SOME owners. From my knowledge, there has never been a definitive or isolated problem, rather, there has been a range of them.

A PROPER bleed with new fluid should solve it, but bleeding ABS is really a task for a very patient professional or well-equipped DIYer. The dealer charge (UK) is around 300 (don't know your location so I can't convert)

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The Honda C-ABS system is over complicated and forums across the world have been plagued with problems by SOME owners. From my knowledge, there has never been a definitive or isolated problem, rather, there has been a range of them.

A PROPER bleed with new fluid should solve it, but bleeding ABS is really a task for a very patient professional or well-equipped DIYer. The dealer charge (UK) is around 300 (don't know your location so I can't convert)
Dear Nigelrb, thank you for the answer!! I have got the service manual and published instructions by other members. So, I will give it a try for a complete brake fluid change and bleeding, with lots of patience (it appears to be a week of work for somebody who hasn't done it before, like me), and see if it resolves the issue.
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