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post #1 of 19 Old 03-21-2004, 10:47 PM Thread Starter
 
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954 vs. New '04 R1

Today I had a chance to ride with a buddy who has a new '04 R1, and we briefly swapped bikes so I can compare it to my ride on a back-to-back basis.

My bike is a '02 954 w/Arata full system, PCIII w/Dan Kyle map and damper.

The new R1 is very smooth and quick reving. Seat is Yamaha soft and comfortable and ergos are at least as comfortable as my 954. The exhaust note is surprisingly "growly"--like a medium sized dog. I did feel like it was a boat or something the way it reved and sounded. It feels thinner that the 954 and possibly a bit quicker on turn-in. The midrange is fine, but not "pin your ears back" until you reach about 10k rpm. I did not get on the bike hard as it was not my bike, but I did hit about 100 (we were in a remote area with no cross-roads, etc.). The wind screen is basically non-existent. It did feel solid and reasonably stable--but maybe a bit stiff--not suspension, but the frame. The instrument cluster is not that easy to see, and small. Turn indicators are green, just like the neutral light. The bike is obviously powerful in the top of the powerband, and it revs very quickly to the top.

Each bike other than your own always takes some getting use to. However, the new R1 is a good quality piece and, in the hands of someone capable of riding a liter bike like a 600cc bike, it will be blistering fast.

That said, I would not trade my modded 954 for the R1. The 954 with the ARATA and Dan's map just pulls like a rhino everywhere in the powerband, and the 954 chasis feels rock solid. I never feel like the front wheel is going to launch, although I could launch it if I wanted to do so.

Bottom line: the new R1 is a great bike; but I will wait to see the cbr1000!

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Re: 954 vs. New '04 R1

rpm is already plural

im about to ride with my boy got a new r1 as well, once i do ill post up
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Re: 954 vs. New '04 R1

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...The new R1...feels thinner that the 954 and possibly a bit quicker on turn-in.
Thanks for the report!
I am really surprised by this. The 954 was the quickest-handling literbike I've
ever ridden, so for the R1 to feel in the same ballpark (you mentioned it may
be quicker) is interesting; I didn't expect it.

Hope I get a chance to try one out this year!

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I am really surprised by this. The 954 was the quickest-handling literbike I've
ever ridden, so for the R1 to feel in the same ballpark (you mentioned it may
be quicker) is interesting; I didn't expect it.
A buddy just got his new R1. He loves it but says it would be almost unrideable without the steering damper.

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A buddy just got his new R1. He loves it but says it would be almost unrideable without the steering damper.
Does anyone know why so few bikes come with dampers? Is it because the manufacturers don't want to admit they need it? Yeah, the new Honda will have one (though not a traditional style), but how many years did that take?
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A buddy just got his new R1. He loves it but says it would be almost unrideable without the steering damper.
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Is a paradigm worth 20 cents?
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Does anyone know why so few bikes come with dampers? Is it because the manufacturers don't want to admit they need it? Yeah, the new Honda will have one (though not a traditional style), but how many years did that take?
Good question. I also wonder why bikes don't come stock with steel braided brake lines.

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Good question. I also wonder why bikes don't come stock with steel braided brake lines.
$$$$ I believe... Maybe if like Ducati, they made a more expensive version then they could put Ohlins, braded lines etc on it... Altho, come to think of it, I don't know if those upgraded Ducs come with braded or Kevlar lines anyway...
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Re: 954 vs. New '04 R1

You guys (and gals) will have to judge for yourself on the quickness of the R1 turn-in. I am by no means an expert bike reviewer. The R1 just felt thin and quick turning.

The Blade turns in quickly, but feels more substantial and muscular.

Either way, both bikes are awesome!
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$$$$ I believe... Maybe if like Ducati, they made a more expensive version then they could put Ohlins, braded lines etc on it... Altho, come to think of it, I don't know if those upgraded Ducs come with braded or Kevlar lines anyway...
The cheapest ducati made, the Monster 620 Dark comes with SS lines for the brakes and the clutch STOCK!
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Re: 954 vs. New '04 R1

Yes but they are loaded with problems.....better a "cheaper" Jap bike than an expensieve Italian crap.

Τι αλλο θα διαβασουμε βραδιατικα - Ουστ ρε!!!!!
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Re: 954 vs. New '04 R1

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You guys (and gals) will have to judge for yourself on the quickness of the R1 turn-in. I am by no means an expert bike reviewer. The R1 just felt thin and quick turning.

The Blade turns in quickly, but feels more substantial and muscular.

Either way, both bikes are awesome!
Turn-in on any bike can be drastically changed with tires/a few minor set up issues---prolly NOT the best comparison for handling prowess
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Re: 954 vs. New '04 R1

BDA is going to have a heart attack. The R1 own3s you bitches!
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