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Lithium Ion Battery

So after this happened to my gel battery:


I decided to finally a try a LiO battery. Bought it on amazon a few days ago. We'll see how it works

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Re: Lithium Ion Battery

itd be amazing if youd come back in a year or so n let us know how she hold up.

ive had the shorai lithium iron that was in my 954 when i bought it in there for the 2 years ive had it plus the year the po had it. i live in s indiana and the winters are brutal. its been left in the bike, in a non environmentally controlled pole barn without ever using a battery tender. it has yet to fail me. i did start it once in the dead of winter on a below 0 degree day just to see how it would do. it was slow but after a couple tries built up the voltage n fired up.

i guess the lithium ion is a similar technology but it is different than the lithium iron.

anyway, id be interested in long term review.

btw, what did happen to the gel? did it just get hot n bulge like that or....

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Re: Lithium Ion Battery

Overcharging?
Done a reg/rec check recently?
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Overcharging?
Done a reg/rec check recently?
^^^^ THIS

Lead acid batteries don't just spontaneously swell up like that, it's almost certainly been overcharging. If the reg/rect isn't working correctly then your expensive Lithium battery will have an even shorter life.

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i guess the lithium ion is a similar technology but it is different than the lithium iron.
"Lithium Ion" is a catch-all name that covers all types of lithium based battery chemistries. Lithium Cobalt Oxide, Lithium Manganese Oxide and Lithium Iron Phosphate are all "Lithium Ion" chemistries.
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Overcharging?
Done a reg/rec check recently?
Probably overcharged. I let the bike sit in the winter connected to a battery charger (not a battery tender)

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^^^^ THIS

Lead acid batteries don't just spontaneously swell up like that, it's almost certainly been overcharging. If the reg/rect isn't working correctly then your expensive Lithium battery will have an even shorter life.

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good stuff. is there any sign to check for to determine if the reg/rec isn't working properly?
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Re: Lithium Ion Battery

easy basic test is to put a multimeter on the two battery terminals while the bike is running and you should get a reading of 13.6-14.9 volts.

this isnt a definitive test of the r/r but typically when they go bad the running voltage will be >14.9 but not always. sometimes this higher charging voltage is sporadic so as mentioned its not a true test of specifically the r/r. if its over 14.9 tho you can bet its the r/r.

for a more detailed testing procedure of the r/r and all the charging system components reference the link.

http://www.electrexworld.co.uk/acata...P-PMG-&-RR.pdf

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Re: Lithium Ion Battery

Dix you check the reg/rectifier and voltage while it's running? Just kidding, wanted to be an echo on this thread one more time.

Rev it up while you test it, not just at idle. Around 4000rpm you can notice well behaved voltage at low rpm suddenly go nuts at higher rpm.

Lithium batteries are great, and so damn expensive.
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easy basic test is to put a multimeter on the two battery terminals while the bike is running and you should get a reading of 13.6-14.9 volts.

this isnt a definitive test of the r/r but typically when they go bad the running voltage will be >14.9 but not always. sometimes this higher charging voltage is sporadic so as mentioned its not a true test of specifically the r/r. if its over 14.9 tho you can bet its the r/r.

for a more detailed testing procedure of the r/r and all the charging system components reference the link.

http://www.electrexworld.co.uk/acata...P-PMG-&-RR.pdf
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Dix you check the reg/rectifier and voltage while it's running? Just kidding, wanted to be an echo on this thread one more time.

Rev it up while you test it, not just at idle. Around 4000rpm you can notice well behaved voltage at low rpm suddenly go nuts at higher rpm.

Lithium batteries are great, and so damn expensive.

Thanks guys. I won't be able to test anything on it until I get another battery though.. which I thought was going to be here soon, but seems there's a hold up in shipping
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itd be amazing if youd come back in a year or so n let us know how she hold up.

ive had the shorai lithium iron that was in my 954 when i bought it in there for the 2 years ive had it plus the year the po had it. i live in s indiana and the winters are brutal. its been left in the bike, in a non environmentally controlled pole barn without ever using a battery tender. it has yet to fail me. i did start it once in the dead of winter on a below 0 degree day just to see how it would do. it was slow but after a couple tries built up the voltage n fired up.

i guess the lithium ion is a similar technology but it is different than the lithium iron.

anyway, id be interested in long term review.

btw, what did happen to the gel? did it just get hot n bulge like that or....


I think when I bought my lithium ion, you pointed out to me that it was not the same as my Shorai Lithium Iron. I bought the WPS and that thing has been working well for me, this winter being three years since I bought it. The WPS starts every time on the first crank even in the coldest of winter. I've had my Shorai for 4 years now. The thing still starts like a champ but only in warm weather. I've never put either of them on any kind of tender or charger and I neglect them both horribly. The Shorai is a good purchase, and the WPS is a great purchase. I say great because it was about 50% less then the Shora without the flaws and some perks. You can see the battery life by pressing a little button on the WPS. I hope it last as long as the Shorai. I've heard that the new Shorai's starts immediately in cold weather now but even with that the price does not compare.
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I think when I bought my lithium ion, you pointed out to me that it was not the same as my Shorai Lithium Iron. I bought the WPS and that thing has been working well for me, this winter being three years since I bought it. The WPS starts every time on the first crank even in the coldest of winter. I've had my Shorai for 4 years now. The thing still starts like a champ but only in warm weather. I've never put either of them on any kind of tender or charger and I neglect them both horribly. The Shorai is a good purchase, and the WPS is a great purchase. I say great because it was about 50% less then the Shora without the flaws and some perks. You can see the battery life by pressing a little button on the WPS. I hope it last as long as the Shorai. I've heard that the new Shorai's starts immediately in cold weather now but even with that the price does not compare.
good to know sabotage. i think i may give the wps a try next go around.

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Re: Lithium Ion Battery

Check all of the connectors, plugs, and wires from the stator to the regulator for heat as well.

I suspect that most people have repeat failures of these parts because there is a burnt connector somewhere in the circuit that doesn't get addressed. Any resistance or open wires between the stator and regulator will cause it to fail, along with the battery and stator sometimes too.

I had a stator wire come loose from the plug under the seat, and it killed the regulator and kept blowing main fuses. The regulator and stator plugs were also melted and discolored, not sure if that was from a previous failure or not. Fixed them up, replaced the regulator, and it's been fine since.
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.. The WPS starts every time on the first crank even in the coldest of winter. I've had my Shorai for 4 years now. The thing still starts like a champ but only in warm weather. I've never put either of them on any kind of tender or charger and I neglect them both horribly. The Shorai is a good purchase, and the WPS is a great purchase...
That's good to know. I hope mine performs as well. I did the WPS, but chose this one because it was more affordable. If it doesn't perform well then the WPS might be my next move.

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Check all of the connectors, plugs, and wires from the stator to the regulator for heat as well.

I suspect that most people have repeat failures of these parts because there is a burnt connector somewhere in the circuit that doesn't get addressed. Any resistance or open wires between the stator and regulator will cause it to fail, along with the battery and stator sometimes too.

I had a stator wire come loose from the plug under the seat, and it killed the regulator and kept blowing main fuses. The regulator and stator plugs were also melted and discolored, not sure if that was from a previous failure or not. Fixed them up, replaced the regulator, and it's been fine since.
good stuff Atimm, thanks for sharing.
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Re: Lithium Ion Battery

battery finally arrived yesterday after shipping delays. here's a pic of it:


this thing is ridiculously light! I'm not sure that it weighs over 1 lb although manufacturer claims it weighs 2.
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Re: Lithium Ion Battery

These are awesome! Really light weight and strong cranking. I accidentally let my shorai drain all the way and needed the shorai charger ($80). But it charged right up. They have a computer or something in them that won't allow a charge from a post-connected charger once theyre completely drained. On year 2 right now.
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Re: Lithium Ion Battery

The last two LiPo batteries I bought (different bikes) have been the EarthX brand. They have circuitry in them that once they get to a certain discharge level, they shut off. You don't need their charger to restore the battery, you just need to get 12V on the terminals. So a smart charger won't do it but you can take another battery to get 12V to it and then connect a charger to it. A much better system than requiring a special charger to get the battery working again.

On two of the bikes I needed a adapter kit to get the terminal posts where I needed them to work with the stock wiring. The EarthX offers this.
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