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929 rr starts but doesn't ride after chain tensionner replacement

hey boys and girl i got a problem witch i cannot solve and give me a head ace

hope you guys can help me out

i own a 2001 car 929 rr couple of days a go i changed the chain tensioner
now the bike starts perfectly but wen you touch the throttle is chokes and dies .
if you touch the gas slowly its ridable but has no real power .

i reopend all the steps but i cannot find any thing strange ..

only other than this small hose what i cannot find the spot were it goes or it stays off
one side goes from the gas tank then splits into a T other side goes to the fuel filter then the T one stays i made some pics but that couldn't be the part were the engine goes out one you touch the throttle

all help is welcome

thanks in advanced

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Re: 929 rr starts but doesn't ride after chain tensionner replacement

by the way i mean the timing chain not the wheel chain ;-)
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Re: 929 rr starts but doesn't ride after chain tensionner replacement

You've knocked something off somewhere, retrace your steps and look out for upset wiring connectors etc. Can't tell location by your pics but there are breather hoses that just hang freely
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Re: 929 rr starts but doesn't ride after chain tensionner replacement

Do you get any EOBD Warning light ??
I forgot to reconnect the vacuum line to the underside of the Air box and had two blink warning on the dash ??
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Re: 929 rr starts but doesn't ride after chain tensionner replacement

Pulse rotor is 180 out? That's my guess. Why-how? ECU is counting pulses as a numbered-ping-count. So count wise it starts. Rev wise, the cams are 180 out. I'd pop the valve cover, set the cams to 1-4 T mark, note my pulse rotor arm is going to sweep past the sensor. If it is pointing away from the sensor? Make sense?

My cam lobes are.... No.1 Left cylinder, the cam lobe toes are facing out towards the exhaust and intake side, respectively. If I see #1 cam lobes facing each other or towards the spark plug, it's 180 out.
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Re: 929 rr starts but doesn't ride after chain tensionner replacement

morning guys i was thinking the same thing as @catch22 i think it popped out of time wen i started the bike for the first time with the new tensioner on it then there is no oil pressure so it could easily jump a tooth or 2 don't you guys think

today i will lower the engine a bit so see if the timing is correct

that keeps the tube question still open ill upload a better photo
were does that tube go ?????

@sapi69 no faults lights from the EOBD all looks good

@954bladed i restraces all the steps multiple times it doesn't give any red blimps
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Re: 929 rr starts but doesn't ride after chain tensionner replacement

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morning guys i was thinking the same thing as @catch22 i think it popped out of time wen i started the bike for the first time with the new tensioner on it then there is no oil pressure so it could easily jump a tooth or 2 don't you guys think

today i will lower the engine a bit so see if the timing is correct

that keeps the tube question still open ill upload a better photo
were does that tube go ?????

@sapi69 no faults lights from the EOBD all looks good

@954bladed i restraces all the steps multiple times it doesn't give any red blimps
Not 100% sure but I'd guess that goes into the airbox/throttle somewhere
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morning guys i was thinking the same thing as @catch22 i think it popped out of time wen i started the bike for the first time with the new tensioner on it then there is no oil pressure so it could easily jump a tooth or 2 don't you guys think

today i will lower the engine a bit so see if the timing is correct

that keeps the tube question still open ill upload a better photo
were does that tube go ?????

@sapi69 no faults lights from the EOBD all looks good

@954bladed i restraces all the steps multiple times it doesn't give any red blimps
Just checked on mine that hose isn't connected to anything , was just hooked over linkage for rear shock , maybe an overflow ???
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Re: 929 rr starts but doesn't ride after chain tensionner replacement

ok guys still didn't find it !!! Update

this is what i checked now i lowered the engine checked the timing but its all correct ! so no harm done to the valves ect . not one spocket wrong. so that the good news

second i had a map sensor malfunction changed that to no more error .
but the bike still doesn't ride !!

it starts in a blink runs perfect but wen touching the gas it dies it only runs wen slowly opening the throttle

all help is welcome
need to make a new check list !!!!!

fuel pump?
fuel filter?


about the hose so @sapi69 there are 3 sides correct 1goes on the full tank 1 goes over the rear shock and the last one goes??????
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Re: 929 rr starts but doesn't ride after chain tensionner replacement

Sounds to me like either a leak of unmetered air or a fuel pressure problem.
Couple of things I'd try: If you block that loose hose, does it make any difference? If you apply a vacuum to the hose does it make any difference?
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Re: 929 rr starts but doesn't ride after chain tensionner replacement

hey dannyC i tried all that notting changes

it still starts every time and runs smooth in idle but wen opening the throttle it dies

maybe the fuel pressure valve? can i test that ? if so how

its irritating that i cannot find whats wrong with it grrrrr
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Re: 929 rr starts but doesn't ride after chain tensionner replacement

I have no model specific knowledge of this bike, as my blade is a carb model, but having worked on injected cars for many years I'd suggest running the fuel pump (I assume it will run for a few seconds when the ignition is switched on, or I'd imagine you can hotwire the pump to run) having the fuel run into a bottle instead up to the injectors.

You should then be able to see whether the pump is delivering fuel as expected - I don't know whether the expected delivery rate is published for you to compare against.
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Re: 929 rr starts but doesn't ride after chain tensionner replacement

Start it, let it idle, pull cam sensor off, rev engine... C with a rap, and shoot.
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Re: 929 rr starts but doesn't ride after chain tensionner replacement

Bypass the kill switch.
Its loosing contact from vibratios .
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Re: 929 rr starts but doesn't ride after chain tensionner replacement

And then I thought. Hey, did you swap sensors that have interchangeable connectors? Swap a tps with a same actuator kind of sensor, starts, no rev. One more shot in the dark (dutch chocolate).
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