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New sleeve in cylinder

Does anybody know where or who can dobthis? I'm in FL, we have local guys but they act like a cast iron sleeve will work in a Japanese sportbike.....lol
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Re: New sleeve in cylinder

There are quite a few threads on here associated , but have a look at this, whats the bike
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Does anybody know where or who can dobthis? I'm in FL, we have local guys but they act like a cast iron sleeve will work in a Japanese sportbike.....lol
What model bike? I had wafer thin cast iron sleeves put in my 93, with 75mm pistons. Ran it for a few years with them, then sold the bike. I guess it depends on the model. Later Blades have the aluminum block bored and then coated. I don't know how a cast iron sleeve put into that set up would effect the really small piston skirts that are coated as well.

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03 954 but I also have a 929 I need to sleeve also. My 954 has 1700 miles so bits worth putting a sleeve into. My 929 has 12K, but I love it so I'll sleeve it also
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Re: New sleeve in cylinder

Get them plated. Stock bores on them aren't plated. It is called alusil and nicasil that they use to plate the bores is tougher...
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So let me get this straight . Nicasil the iron sleeve? Aluminum sleeve? Or no sleeve at all.
I believe I need a new bore from water damage, sitting in cylinder. The wall has corrosion about 1/2 an inch lower than lower ring.
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Re: New sleeve in cylinder

929 and 954 have hypereutic aluminium sleeves commonly known as alusil. Alusil can be plated with nicasil plating like every other sleeve. Bare aluminium sleeve that has damage to the original nicasil plating, steel sleeve for better bore surface and alusil bore allso for better and tougher wear surface for the bore. My 954 has been bored 1mm oversize and nicasil plated at millenium technologies but i wouldn't recommend using them. U.S. Chrome would be the other choice...
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So steel sleeve is ok as long as it is coated?
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Re: New sleeve in cylinder

Why do you wan't to put a steel sleeve in it? It can work if Honda has left little reserve to the cooling system but steel conducts heat less then stock aluminium ones and you will allso lose performance wise since with the steel sleeve you will need more piston to wall clearence.... I actually seen one 954 that was for sale and had steel/iron sleeves installed on it with Wiseco pistons but no clue how hot does is run...

I would recommend getting the stock bores fixed or going 1mm oversize on the stock bores...

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I don't want steel sleeves, the local guys I talked to install steel sleeves only. That is why I posted on here. To get an opinion of someone that has delt with this issue before. Boring 1mm over will require new pistons? How much can you bore factory sleeves?
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Re: New sleeve in cylinder

Depends on the damage the cylinders and pistons have. When bored you will always need bigger pistons...At U.S. Chrome they do recondition stock pistons and bores if they aren't too far gone. So i would give them a call. They did that for a member here and he was happy with the job they did.... The stock alusil can allso be bored 0.25mm oversize and pistons for that you can get from Honda but you would need to find a shop that knows how to work with alusil.
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Re: New sleeve in cylinder

I'm guessing you've already priced a used engine?

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I don't want steel sleeves, the local guys I talked to install steel sleeves only. That is why I posted on here. To get an opinion of someone that has delt with this issue before. Boring 1mm over will require new pistons? How much can you bore factory sleeves?
1mm=0.039" so yeah. Even 0.010" requires an oversize bore.
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Re: New sleeve in cylinder

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I'm guessing you've already priced a used engine?
Most used engines are $800-$1000 so its worth putting the $$ into, + i know it will be good as new and ready for 50K miles or so.
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