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Tail section repair

I went to turn the key for the rear storage and it pushed the tail backwards instead of popping the seat up. From the looks of it, I'm missing something to give the tail light stay rigidity. It bolts on the bottom of each side but that's it. Is there something which is supposed to stop rotation about the bolts?
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Re: Tail section repair

It’s very difficult to help just from the photos, however the bike looks as if it’s been apart a few times. I’m guessing from the tail section it’s a 1996 or 1997, this should help.


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Yeah, sorry, it's a 97 919. I've loved at the diagrams and can't figure it what's missing.
Anyone have a proper one they can post photos of?
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Re: Tail section repair

Here is a 1997 diagram, pretty much the same as a 96


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I don't think the seat party is the problem. The tail stay seems loose and I'm wondering if it's the right one or if it's just something that worked for the previous owner. When I turn the key for the storage, the whole rear cover piece moves.
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I don't think the seat party is the problem. The tail stay seems loose and I'm wondering if it's the right one or if it's just something that worked for the previous owner. When I turn the key for the storage, the whole rear cover piece moves.
The small piece of fairing that the lock tumbler is in screws to the tail light bracket and should fit into the rear of the taillight bracket as well. When the side panels are then properly screwed to the underneath of the rear taillight trim it shouldn't move. If you are missing mounting tabs/screws you will get that loose tail movement.

Refer to the screw numbers 21 and 22. They basically hold it all together.

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Re: Tail section repair

Looking at your photos again, I’d suggest removing the all the tail fairing from the subframe and refitting it properly using all the correct OEM bolts and screws, the tail piece with the lock isn’t attached properly which is probably causing your problem.

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I don't think the seat party is the problem. The tail stay seems loose and I'm wondering if it's the right one or if it's just something that worked for the previous owner. When I turn the key for the storage, the whole rear cover piece moves.
The small piece of fairing that the lock tumbler is in screws to the tail light bracket and should fit into the rear of the taillight bracket as well. When the side panels are then properly screwed to the underneath of the rear taillight trim it shouldn't move. If you are missing mounting tabs/screws you will get that loose tail movement.

Refer to the screw numbers 21 and 22. They basically hold it all together.

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There's my problem. The tabs that connect to the side fairings are broken off. Don't know how I missed that. I'll have to camp on eBay till I find one. Till then, I've rigged up a system which allows for it to work
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There's my problem. The tabs that connect to the side fairings are broken off. Don't know how I missed that. I'll have to camp on eBay till I find one. Till then, I've rigged up a system which allows for it to work
Check the ones the go up from the bottom at the rear of the side panels into the tail light trim too, just to make sure you don’t need to replace the side panels as well, which would be $$$$$$$. Glad you figured it out 👍🏻

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Well we don't know that it's figured out yet. The side covers have all their mounting holes and I've added fasteners to all of them.

This little piece is proving difficult to find. I was looking at the 93-95 tails and it looks like they used so the same pieces. Do you know if that's true?

I might just do a tail swap to solve this problem. Know of any subframes that share mounting locations with the 97?
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Well we don't know that it's figured out yet. The side covers have all their mounting holes and I've added fasteners to all of them.

This little piece is proving difficult to find. I was looking at the 93-95 tails and it looks like they used so the same pieces. Do you know if that's true?

I might just do a tail swap to solve this problem. Know of any subframes that share mounting locations with the 97?
I do believe 93-97 are the same, but have never done any tinkering. And the 96-99 sub frames may all be the same.

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I do believe 93-97 are the same, but have never done any tinkering. And the 96-99 sub frames may all be the same.
Can confirm, part numbers match. I wonder if that means I can swap out the fairings and tail light of the 97 for the 98-99. Internals can't be that different eh?
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Can confirm, part numbers match. I wonder if that means I can swap out the fairings and tail light of the 97 for the 98-99. Internals can't be that different eh?
They all mount in the same spots on the sub-frames, but the 98-99 have a different tail light cut out I believe. Research that further.

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Yes, you're correct, of course. The tail light needs to be replaced but otherwise the tails are the same. I compared all party numbers in the trail diagrams, the 96-97 have 2 extra items but they don't appear to interfere with the fairings. The 98-99 are a direct bolt on whether replacing the tail light.
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Re: Tail section repair

the only one i can find on ebay with the tabs is 109+25 shipping. i wonder if it will be strong enough if i use some fiber fix as reinforcement and fill it with bondo/polyester resin and then match drill.

Or, I've been thinking about getting a new fairing kit for it from auctmarts or nicecycle (not trying to start another aftermarket fairing thread), maybe that's a better way to go although the OEM ones just have rash which can be patched.
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