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post #1 of 13 Old 06-26-2004, 12:04 AM Thread Starter
 
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Ok, I'm having a problem with my blinkers. I installed a LED turn signal integerator in my rear taillight and a set of extra LED signals in the brow of the front headlight of the bike. At that time I still had the stock blinkers in the front. When I installed the rear turn signals and the extra LED signals, I knew they would blink fast so I installed a universal load equalizer and they blinked normal again. Well now I just installed LED flushmounts in the front and they are blinking fast again. The only thing I can think of is that now that I no longer use the third wire (the running lights wire from the stock harness) now that has effected the flash rate. Or I just simply need to add another load equalizer, a friend of mine said I might need a solid state flasher or a more heavy duty one. Any suggestions will help.
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Re: Electrical Question

e heavy duty flasher will slow it down ... the running light wire has nothing to do with the flash rate ..... the more lights you add in parallel the less resistance there is and the faster they will flash
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Re: Electrical Question

I put a 10 Ohm 10W resister on each of my front LED flashers(in parallel) to get back to normal flash rate. When I added rear LEDs, I had to add 2 more to each flasher to get back to normal.
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Re: Electrical Question

Well I can't find the flasher on the bike. Unless it's the turn signal relay on the Honda service manual schematic. If I can't find that then I'll try the resister route. I already have one for the rear maybe I just need one for each end of the bike. Thanks for the help!
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Re: Electrical Question

Yep, that'd be it!
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Re: Electrical Question

Now here's my other question. Is that relay right at the back of the gauge panel? If it is then I probably need to take off the front faring to get to it right? Is it attached to the panel or loose? Thanks for all your help!
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Now here's my other question. Is that relay right at the back of the gauge panel? If it is then I probably need to take off the front faring to get to it right? Is it attached to the panel or loose? Thanks for all your help!
NOOO, just take off your windscreen
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NOOO, just take off your windscreen
Really?? Cool!! I'll go try that now.
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NOOO, just take off your windscreen
Ok well that didn't work. There's not enough room to even see between the gauge cluster and the front fairing. I was going to try to take the cluster off but I can't even get back behind there witout taking off the front fairing. I guess it would be helpfull if I knew what I was looking for. I'm looking for a 5 plug relay-box-shaped-thingy like an automitive relay. Am I wrong? Is it different than that? I did find a small rectangle "thingy" that's covered in electrical tape and is attached to some loose wires that are also covered in electrical tape, I didn't uncover it so I'm not sure what it is (I couldn't find it in the service manual either). Any ideas? Or did I do the wrong thing? HELP!!
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I put a 10 Ohm 10W resister on each of my front LED flashers(in parallel) to get back to normal flash rate. When I added rear LEDs, I had to add 2 more to each flasher to get back to normal.

I'd say go with Antinomianist's suggestion.. 10 Ohm,10Watt resistor in parallel (across the two blinker wires, or at the LED circuit board if avail.) on each blinker should do the trick.. You can play with the values and possibly use more resistance..

What happens is that LEDs use far less current than std bulbs, so basically the blinker system thinks that you have a burnt out bulb due to the decreased amount of current draw from the LED's.. The blinker system is designed to blink faster when the current draw drops below a certain threshold to alert the rider to a blinker failure.. The smaller resistor (in parallel) simply simulates a load by increasing current draw --the smaller the resistor the greater the current draw, where too small of a resistor will draw too much current and blow a fuse and/or cause damage.. --Just remember the 10 Watt part @10 Ohms, otherwise you'll fry lower wattage resistors.. The resistor may also generate a bit of heat so you might want to insulate it a bit.. Hope this helps..
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Re: Electrical Question

Why not try a electronic flasher. You can just replace your OEM flasher can with the electrical flasher and never have to worry about resistances again. Unlike regular flasher cans that work off of resistance, electronic flasher flash at the same rate no matter what the resistance. They are a little more expensive but much simpler than soldering.
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not using the third wire does cause the fast flash rate a lot of the times (I'm not sure if its the not using the wire or if the new bulbs are different) I changed my front to some nice flushmounts and fixed the fast flash by changing the stock flasher relay with a signal minder. the signal minder is load independent so it fixed the problem, also has an option for running lights (also makes your rears running lights if you use that option, I like it.) and it has a brake interlock. well worth the $100. I've heard the relay on a 954 is soldered to the guage panel but I'm not sure check www.kisan-tech.com ot see if they have one for the 954, also will tell you where the closest dealer is to you.

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The flasher relay is an integral part of the instrument panel circuit board.I had the SAME problem you are having.I wired a 10 ohm 25 watt resistor on each of the front turn signals to correct the problem. Hope this helps.
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