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How to make my 929 feel like a 600RR

So I have had my 01 929 for about a year now and pretty much am in love with it except for one problem: I rode my buddies 03 600RR this past weekend and LOVE the way it feels and now I am at loss as for what I need to do.

So my question is this: how do I make my 929 feel like a 600RR without trading it in on one?

I love the power of the 929, love the seating position and pretty much love the overall package, but specifically the "solid" feel to the 600RR is what I am looking for in a bike.

Anyone who has riden both should know what I am talking about, obviously the 600 is down on power, but lighter and has less inertia because of the smaller motor. But the 600 feels like it has a "together-ness" when turning that I can't seem to get from the 929, like all the parts are working together.

My 929, while handling great, just does not have nearly as planted of a feel in the corners.

I put Race Tech .90 fork springs in it (and now know I need more like .95 or 1.0's) earlier this year to try to keep the front end from diving so far but since I have done that I feel like I've lost the planted feel of both ends working together. I tried different weights of oil and it still is not quite right.

Any ideas?

Suggestions?

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Re: How to make my 929 feel like a 600RR

Trade it for a 1000RR.
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...an den a VFR
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Re: How to make my 929 feel like a 600RR

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Trade it for a 1000RR.
absolutely the way i feel about my CBR1oooRR
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Re: How to make my 929 feel like a 600RR

You can probably improve the overall feel and handling of your 929 considerably, but since the Blade doesn't have a full frame and uses conventional frame/swingarm shock linkage configuration as opposed to the HRC style Unit-ProLink setup of the 600, I doubt you will ever get the "same" feel.

Starting points would be based on your weight and mission (street, track etc.). If you are over 165 pounds, you will need .95 KG springs up front and if you are over 185, probably 1.0s. The next step is having the valving optimized and the sliders polished which are all part of the standard Kyle fork rebuild. Once you have the front end dialed (component wise), then you need to address the rear shock. Obviously, the Ohlins is an excellent choice, but the Fox (no longer in production) and the Penske could be considered as well.

After you get all of the hardware installed, your next step is to properly adjust the sag at both ends. Regardless of the suspension components, if you don't have the sag setup properly the bike will never ride or feel "right". If you ride primarily on the street, I would look to run approximately 1.3" to 1.4" of sag up front with between 1.2" and 1.3" of loaded sag out back. For the track, I would subtract about 1/8" from both of these ranges.
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Re: How to make my 929 feel like a 600RR

Just to add to what abtech said there, lower your forks so the fork cap is flush with the triples. You can also raise the rear ride height a bit if you buy an aftermarket shock, which the 929 really appreciates.

Also, do you have a dampenererer (sic)?




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Re: How to make my 929 feel like a 600RR

Its a newer machine with newer technology. Its gonna feel tighter. Same reason a new car feels tighter than an 2 or 3 year old one. Its an older machine that has had time to loosen up.

Besides your suspension being older technology, its also a little more worn than a newer bike. I have heard that stock suspensions are only good for about a year before they need to be "reworked".

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Take a sparkplug wire loose.
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Re: How to make my 929 feel like a 600RR

Buy a 954. Same dry weight (370lb.), alot more punch.

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Re: How to make my 929 feel like a 600RR

put new tires on your bike if they are old out of balance your ride will feel sloppy and not as tight
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Take a sparkplug wire loose.
Thats what i was thinking...

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Re: How to make my 929 feel like a 600RR

Thanks for all the responses, even the trade it for a 1000RR ones.

Unfortunately, I JUST bought it last year and trading it in is sort of a non-issue for another year or so.

Don't get me wrong, I love the bike, and I like the power and really don't need any more go, I am just looking for that solid feel that the 600RR has.

I do have a Hyperpro dampner, installed that after a 140mph tankslapper at a Road America track day this spring.

And I am familier enough with bikes to know that it's not the "new bike" stiffness I am feeling, though my buddies 600RR has 2,000 miles and my 929 now has 12,500.

It's the way it handles that I am looking for: that unshakable stability where everything just feels so right, it goes EXACTLY where you point it.

Anyway, looks like I am going to be sending my forks to Dan Kyle this winter and shop for a used shock...

Thanks for the help
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Thanks for all the responses, even the trade it for a 1000RR ones.

Unfortunately, I JUST bought it last year and trading it in is sort of a non-issue for another year or so.

Don't get me wrong, I love the bike, and I like the power and really don't need any more go, I am just looking for that solid feel that the 600RR has.

I do have a Hyperpro dampner, installed that after a 140mph tankslapper at a Road America track day this spring.

And I am familier enough with bikes to know that it's not the "new bike" stiffness I am feeling, though my buddies 600RR has 2,000 miles and my 929 now has 12,500.

It's the way it handles that I am looking for: that unshakable stability where everything just feels so right, it goes EXACTLY where you point it.

Anyway, looks like I am going to be sending my forks to Dan Kyle this winter and shop for a used shock...

Thanks for the help
I know exactly what you are talking about. I own a 929 as well, and I have ridden both the RC51 and the 600RR. The 929 just doesnt feel as planted or as confident as the other two bikes. I'm running full Ohlins and it's dialed in, it is a world apart from when it was shock, but still isn't as confident inspiring as the RC or the 600RR. I believe it has to do with the swingarm and the way the lower shock mount is setup. Basically without redesigning those two, this is the way the bike behaves. On a side note, I noticed that the bike feels more planted and better feedback with Bridgestone 012 SS, then with the Metzler M1.
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Re: How to make my 929 feel like a 600RR

Trade it for the 600RR like I did
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Re: How to make my 929 feel like a 600RR

Interesting note about the tires....

I usually run BT010's (had for most of the 24,000 I had on my SuperHawk and now all 12,000 on the 929) except this last time (just a few weeks ago so they are very new) when I decided to try a set of Pirelli Diablos. However I rode the 600RR once before the Pirellis and once after they were on my bike and I got the same feeling from the 600.

Damn, I am a bit ticked off now that no dealer in my area offers test rides because at the time I bought the 929 I was looking at 600RR and a RC51 was the actual bike I went in to buy, just got such a good price on the 929 and it looked so great!

Well, I am not totally dissapointed in the 929, just looks like I will have to do some more suspension work to it!
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