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Ahhhh Stranded at work!

Ok, ive been doing some searching and have found many threads about brake bleeding, but nothing related to this problem. A while back (maybe 1000 miles ago?) I put on some new pads EBC HH(if it matters), and bled the brakes, etc.... everything fine. Today while riding to lunch I almost rear-ended somebody as I tried to stop. Pulled the brake lever all the way to the handgrip for minimal stopping power. This has happened once before. Every time I bleed the brakes they work fine for a while, and gradually get worse and worse. Is there anything you're supposed to replace while putting on new pads (seals, washers, etc)??
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Re: Ahhhh Stranded at work!

Chances are there is still some air trapped in the system and when you bleed the brakes, you hit a run of straight fluid sitting below the air. I would STRONGLY recommend the purchase of a banjo bleeder bolt for your master cylinder. This allows you to bleed the system at the lever (after bleeding the calipers), as air floats up to the top of the lines or can become trapped around any "T" junction you may have.

I realize you searched and may have read a few threads about bleeding brakes, but most people assume I'm crazy and skip over the long winded procedure that I guarantee will resolve this issue (unless you have a physical problem somewhere in the system).

As mentioned several times before: I have worked on bikes that the owners swore they have "completely bled" several times over and still found a ton of air in the lines.

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Not sure how your bike is set up and what all you did but on cars people who reuse the copper washer on brake hoses get this exact thing.

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Re: Ahhhh Stranded at work!

I agree with Abtech. Bleeder banjo bolts rock! Also, whenever I do a brake bleed on my vehicles, I always run at least a pint extra through the bleed nipple.

But when you replaced the pads - did you clean and grease the slider pins?

Also, I'd recommend doing the zip-tie trick. Put a thick piece of cardboard on the front side of the grip and zip-tie the brake lever back as far as you can, then leave it that way overnight. This will help any bubbles suspended in the fluid to gather at the fitting near the master cylinder. When you release the lever in the morning, any residual air should get sucked back into the mc, and you'll be rewarded with a firmer pull.

Hth, and good luck!
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Re: Ahhhh Stranded at work!

You might want to try what Blorton said, with the zip tie. Also, did you seat the pads properly?
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I use a power bleder system, gets all the air out everytime!
200.00 bucks for a tool??!
As long as I know my brakes are going to work!
You're damn straight!

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Re: Ahhhh Stranded at work!

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I use a power bleder system, gets all the air out everytime!
200.00 bucks for a tool??!
As long as I know my brakes are going to work!
You're damn straight!
I'll bet I can get all of the air out of any bike using the "old" technique faster than you can with your power bleeder and use less than half as much fluid in the process . . . Power bleeders and MityVacs are bandaids for a simple process that most people don't understand or refuse to do properly.

BTW, the zip tie technique is a temporary fix, as the air eventually moves back through the system after several hours. Just bleed the system correctly the first time and the zip tie won't make any difference.

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Re: Ahhhh Stranded at work!

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Ok, ive been doing some searching and have found many threads about brake bleeding, but nothing related to this problem. A while back (maybe 1000 miles ago?) I put on some new pads EBC HH(if it matters), and bled the brakes, etc.... everything fine.
If once you've bled them properly (Abtech's method) you still have the problem, it might be the pads. My friend tried a set of EBC HH pads. They worked great at first but suddenly lost all their braking power. When we removed them we found the pad material had actually melted. They would work cold but once warm they couldn't slow the bike at all. EBC said we had a set that came from a bad batch. My friend quickly went back to OEM and told EBC to stick it where the sun don't shine.
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Re: Ahhhh Stranded at work!

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If once you've bled them properly (Abtech's method) you still have the problem, it might be the pads. My friend tried a set of EBC HH pads. They worked great at first but suddenly lost all their braking power. When we removed them we found the pad material had actually melted. They would work cold but once warm they couldn't slow the bike at all. EBC said we had a set that came from a bad batch. My friend quickly went back to OEM and told EBC to stick it where the sun don't shine.
I have had a few "bad batches" of EBCs as well, including a totaled race bike due to a bad set. EBC offered to replace the pads . . .
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Re: Ahhhh Stranded at work!

I used a set of EBC years ago, but their rep has always been that they are hard on rotors too.




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Re: Ahhhh Stranded at work!

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I realize you searched and may have read a few threads about bleeding brakes, but most people assume I'm crazy and skip over the long winded procedure that I guarantee will resolve this issue ......
[QUOTE]


Wher is this long winded procedure??????? Please help.

Never mind. You answerd it on the other brake thread. Thanks Abtech.....

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Re: Ahhhh Stranded at work!

Abtech is correct about getting a Banjo Bleeder Bolt, Since ive had mine my brakes have never been better. But then again i change my fluid every other race along with my Water Wetter Im currently using Vesrah Silver Pads that are freaking amazing with the OEM Honda Rotors

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