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954 chain/sprocket question

I thought about getting a 520 chain conversion kit for my 954. Anyone have one for this bike or know if a 520 chain is worth it? I can use my 530 chain with the sprocket I want, so is it worth paying extra for the 520 chain? Also, I am -1 on front right now and am thinking of putting it back to normal 16 teeth on front and going +3 in rear...better for the tranny I hear? Will the power be the same? More or less?

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Re: 954 chain/sprocket question

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How many miles do you have on your 530 chain? If more than 15k, I'd go with the 520...
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Re: 954 chain/sprocket question

Yeah, if you need to replace the chain, I'd get the 520. Regearing won't change the 'power', it just moves the rpm (or mph) where you reach it. I went up 2 in the back and it just barely fits with the stock (108 links) lenght chain. If you go up 3, I garantee you'll have to add a few links. BTW, up 3 in the back is almost identical to -1 in the front. It depends on what you're looking for.
Edit: I'm pretty sure there's no way you can do 16 frt. and 46 rear with the stock chain, it's too short. You might be able to if you put the 15 frt. back on, but then you better put a wheely bar on it too.

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Re: 954 chain/sprocket question

FYI All a 520 chain is compared to a 530 chain is narrower. So, it will wear the chain and sprockets out faster because there is the same amount of power placed on a smaller area. If you are primarily on the track with the bike, go for the 520. There are usually more 520 parts available. If you primarily ride street, stay with the 530. The pound that you may save won't be noticeable unless your name is Hayden or Rossi.
The -1f is about the same as +3 rear. On a 954 I wouldn't go any more then either one of them as the bike will never wear the front tire out. +2r is a good change. The whole deal with doing these changes is best left when you NEED a chain. The -1 f is cool to do stock, nothing else needs to be done. If you go -2f you wear the chain out FAST because it has to make a sharper turn.

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Re: 954 chain/sprocket question

Is the -1 on the front bad on the tranny or anythgin else? Basically the only reason I want to switch to +3 on rear is so it's about same as -1 on front, but better on bike. If it isn't acctually bad on anything then I will just leave it. Can someone clear this up for me?

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Re: 954 chain/sprocket question

I've read conflicting opinions on that one , that's why I went up 2 when I needed a new chain. I thought -1 was a little 'buzzy' for street riding, too.
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Re: 954 chain/sprocket question

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Is the -1 on the front bad on the tranny or anythgin else? Basically the only reason I want to switch to +3 on rear is so it's about same as -1 on front, but better on bike. If it isn't acctually bad on anything then I will just leave it. Can someone clear this up for me?

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16/46 won't work with a stock 108 link chain....

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Re: 954 chain/sprocket question

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I've read conflicting opinions on that one , that's why I went up 2 when I needed a new chain. I thought -1 was a little 'buzzy' for street riding, too.
Right! -1f = +3r, and either one of those is a bit much for a big bike. 600s do well with that change. +2r is more than enough change if you even want to do that. Hell, when I put chain/sprockets on my XX I didn't change the gearing and stayed with a steel rear sprocket. On the 929 I always ran +2r and just tried +3 rear. Well it whellies a whole lot more with the +3 now!

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I always ran +2r and just tried +3 rear. Well it whellies a whole lot more with the +3 now!
I couldn't get a 16/46 on my 929 with a 108 link chain....

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Are you running a longer chain....and/or a shorter tire?

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I couldn't get a 16/46 on my 929 with a 108 link chain.... Are you running a longer chain....and/or a shorter tire?
180/55 tire. No idea on the chain legnth, whatever fit and cut off the excess sorry.

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Re: 954 chain/sprocket question

I did a 520 conversion on my 2000 929 and went plus two on the back, it worked well but some of the things that I noticed were, the chain wore much more quickly, you are in the power more, so you use it more, at least I did. I found that at 70mph(ish) the 929 was revving pretty good, not a huge amount but bit(1000 rpm?) more than stock.
I just did the minus one on the front of my new 1000RR in the summer and was VERY happy with it, it was much more noticeable than the plus two on the 929(I know its not apples to apples either, but...) when I go to change my chain and sprockets on the RR this time I will be going +3 on the rear, just 'cause I dont know if I like the tighter radius (chain wear) at the front? I only added to the front because the chain had less than 3000 kms on it and I did not think that I could go plus three with a stock chain.

Hope that helps a bit? all of my riding so far has been done on the street and I am pretty tame but, I liked the gearing change A LOT
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180/55 tire. No idea on the chain legnth, whatever fit and cut off the excess sorry.
Rock on....did your adjuster end up toward the front or back after you set the slack?

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Re: 954 chain/sprocket question

+2 on the back will be maybe 3-400 rpm, not 1k. When you use a small front, the axle goes to the back. Larger front, it moves forward.

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Re: 954 chain/sprocket question

I was not sure how much it added, I thought that it was around 800-1000 for the +2 on the rear? It was over two years ago so I am probably off by a bit, sorry to mis-lead, I just remembered that it jumped a bit more than I thought it would.
A little off topic, anyone know how much my speedo wil be off on my 1000RR now that I have taken one off the front(I know, I know I should get a recalibrator, it's on the list honest)
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I thought about getting a 520 chain conversion kit for my 954. Anyone have one for this bike or know if a 520 chain is worth it? I can use my 530 chain with the sprocket I want, so is it worth paying extra for the 520 chain? Also, I am -1 on front right now and am thinking of putting it back to normal 16 teeth on front and going +3 in rear...better for the tranny I hear? Will the power be the same? More or less?

Thanks, appreciate the info!
Hellfire666, I went with +2 rear and stock front sprocket with 520 chain on my '03 954. I'm quite happy with this setup.
Think the total mass saved was over 1 lb mentioned - in any event, it's much less mass to accelerate. Chain stretched after the first hard runs, but hasn't changed over the past 4,000 or so miles. Sprockets are still in great shape. I recall that I did add two links for the conversion - easy enough work. Recalibrated with SpeedoHealer - I was about 10% out...
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