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Hard steering- Bad setup?

I have a 01 Erion 929 and recently swapped bikes with a buddy for a pass through a local canyon here in Arizona (Canyon Lake). My buddy has a new VFR which I found to be very responsive and the steering was effortless. Since I've been riding only my bike over the past few years I didn't notice how much I have to "muscle" my bike into corners, until I rode that VFR. I got back on my bike and was disappointed by the steering effort needed. I currently show about 4 - 5mm's of shock up from the top clamp, and the rear shock is stock. I set my tire pressures to the recommended 36/42 before the ride.
Do any of the more knowledgable suspension guru's have any ideas? Maybe a change in the setup? Or is this a characteristic of the 929??
Thanks in advance for the advice!!
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Re: Hard steering- Bad setup?

My opinions of the Blades is that they are all a bit heavy feeling. I like it that way. It makes me think about what I'm doing.

I think it's common, but then again..................................

Let's see what a few of the others have to say.
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Re: Hard steering- Bad setup?

I would lower tire pressures a bit but that's not to affect the steering...
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Re: Hard steering- Bad setup?

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I would lower tire pressures a bit but that's not to affect the steering...
I may be alone in asking this, but why? What would lower tire pressures afford you other than a softer, more cushy ride?
.....................and more traction of course in typical situations.
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.....................and more traction of course in typical situations.
ok you answered your own question.. now why did you bother to ask it?
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ok you answered your own question.. now why did you bother to ask it?


Just making sure I guess
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Re: Hard steering- Bad setup?

I have never had a problem with heavyness in steering on the 929. I had that symptom and the problem turned out to be tires. The front one had a feathered edge, that I couldn't really see until I lifted it off the ground. I set of tires later, no problems.
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Re: Hard steering- Bad setup?

Get the front end in the air with nothing toughing any of the steering somehow and see if the steering head bearingas are too tight or are notched (too many bad landings from wheelies?).

Beyond that, change to a more triangulated tire and make sure that the back of the bike is not sagging. Moving the forks on 929-on up bikes dosent do much at all for steering. Having the bike higher up helps.

FYI, lowering tire pressures will make the bike steer heavier as the tire deforms more to flatten itself to the road surface. Typically don't lower more than 3-4psi on the street.

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Moving the forks on 929-on up bikes dosent do much at all for steering.
Are you saying changing rake doesn't help steering?
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Re: Hard steering- Bad setup?

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Are you saying changing rake doesn't help steering?
You could lower the front end 5" and not change the rake. This is the angle of the headstock and can't be changed without a ton of modification. Lowering the forks into the triples will do nothing but lose ground clearance and decrease the trail, which isn't a good idea for the 929/954.

I have heard people say that lowering the front of the bike puts more weight on the front tire and although true, it amounts to a couple of ounces even with drastic amounts of lowering. If you want a well prepared bike to turn easier (which most people really mean when they say "turn faster"), sliding your ass 2" forward in the seat will move quite a bit of weight to the front tire and make turning require a lot less effort.

Playing with front ride height usually makes most riders go backwards in terms of lowering lap times. I see people come in and say the bike turns in much faster with the front end dropped 8 to 10 mm, yet see they can't equal their lap times with the front end in the stock position.

Riding a bike fast on a road course requires some modicum of strength and exertion and trying to adjust the bike to turn in "faster" isn't valid unless you're within a few tenths of the lap record and need "just that one little bit" to go any faster.

I think people should realize that the originator of this thread has stated that a bike with MUCH SLOWER steering requires less effort to turn than his 929. This tells me there is a problem along the lines of what CBRBob has pointed out.
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Re: Hard steering- Bad setup?

Your question is answered by your question.
I miss my 929 because - I could take any line that any 600 could take and motor away on apex exit. Houston, you have a problem.
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