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Re: Sportbike Mag. says CBR1000RR is slower than comp.

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Thumbing through the European Sportbike magazine at Borders, I noticed that they had weight and horsepower figures for the CBR1000RR. They mentioned that the HP was 165 and the weight was 178KG (I think), stating that made it probably the slowest compared to the rest of the competition. Additionally, they said Honda reps were quick to offer explanations like they decided to put on a steel exhaust to keep the prices down....that the 600RR is not the lightest bike but it's the best in its class...
I know my riding skills are not worthy to take on any of the new liter bikes coming out next year however, I'm quite dejected about Honda's decisions and excuses. Don't get me wrong, I'm a happy Blade owner who has owned 6 Hondas out of the 7 bikes I've ever owned. I'm satisfied with Honda build quality and will definitely purchase another Honda in the future. However, I've heard too many Honda fanatics who still say that weight and horsepower numbers do not matter. Come on! Get off it.
When the first Blade and the second CBR 600 came out, they were praised for their magnificent power to weight ratio, which at the time the other guys couldn't beat. Sure, Honda fans flaunted these numbers but ever since the GSXR and R1 came out, Honda fans are now saying that we shouldn't care. Now I know these new literbikes are more bike than anyone needs on the street but isn't that what literbikes are all about? Are you going to say that the other companies should fall in line with Honda and make their GSXR, R1, and ZXR1000 less powerful and heavier or that the CBR1000RR is a better bike because it is less powerful and that they focus more on the overall package or on their build quality?
We all know Honda can make such a bike, look at the RCV 211, the origional Blade, etc. Sure, I like my Blade and it was was a fantastic bike when it came out but they have been using the same motor on the Blade for about a decade now. I'd like to see a bit more innovation from Honda, something that is truely origional that is quite revolutionary. I see the other companies doing it, taking chances, but I've got to admit that Honda is becoming quite the cookie cutter company.
Sorry about the big ass rant but I guess I just needed to say it.
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Re: Sportbike Mag. says CBR1000RR is slower than comp.

Screw all those bikes, i'm buying a kanatuna
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Re: Sportbike Mag. says CBR1000RR is slower than comp.

but you gotta see it from honda's perspective, they'll always be more Honda fanboys than any other manufacturer just b/c they push so much volume to the public.

I mean look at us, for the most part, we'd swallow most of what Honda would shovel down our way.

We are always quick to point out when all else fails that Honda has quality. yet, I think that's a slight misconception, look at the 2 recalls and clutches going out. Does that mean the others are any more/less reliable, who knows. but I tell you what, I ride what I like, and honda is for me.

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Motodude : or that the CBR1000RR is a better bike because it is less powerful and that they focus more on the overall package or on their build quality?
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Yes, exactly! *Honda does exactly that, and I for one am quite happy with their reasoning. *Keep the faith bro! *

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asiliat : but you gotta see it from honda's perspective, they'll always be more Honda fanboys than any other manufacturer just b/c they push so much volume to the public.

I mean look at us, for the most part, we'd swallow most of what Honda would shovel down our way.

We are always quick to point out when all else fails that Honda has quality. *yet, I think that's a slight misconception, look at the 2 recalls and clutches going out. *Does that mean the others are any more/less reliable, who knows. *but I tell you what, I ride what I like, and honda is for me.

....Sorry my shift key is going wonky.
What is different is theat neither of those recalls were wide failures. I remember the clutch recall on the 929, one or two guys had this fail and Honda submitted a recall. On a Suzuki, it would have been much different. In other words, Honda's recalls can't really be compared to the other mfr's, they are usually something that wouldn't have failed anyway, but they do it just in case.

I'm with you though, I've been a blind follower to Honda for a long time. If they stay in this direction, I will try other products. Maybe I'll buy BDA's new R1 when he is done with it
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Re: Sportbike Mag. says CBR1000RR is slower than comp.

Do some research on recalls and manufacturers. You'll note that Honda has the least. By far.
Also, this BS story has been rehashed soooo many times. Some lame mag decides to get attention by publishing some numbers they pulled out of their ass. These numbers were made up, not given to them by ANYONE from Honda. Honda has not released any official numbers. Tin hat wearers would tell you that it is because Honda is still developing the bike, and were just waiting for all the other numbers to be released to trump them, but it is not the case.
This magazine has nothing other mags don't, other than the gumption to make up a 'story' to get people talking about them. And it worked. They are very much like the New York Times.
It's all BS and speculation to generate interest in the mag. Until they actually have a bike in their possession and have put in on the scales and dyno, there is no point in giving the story any credibility.
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Hmmm, dunno if this is worthwhile but I have no brand preference. I have loved my previous suzuki's yamaha's and hondas. I am buying a 954 cause I have wanted one since the 929. They made the new price to hard to resist. Riding a bike is not relevant to the make or manufacturer. It's relevant to what you enjoy. If you have fun riding it, who gives a rats?? Guess I'm old enough to not care about 'pose value'. I just love riding. And I have a LOT of roads to choose from. hehehehe
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Bennie Da Blade : Hmmm, dunno if this is worthwhile but I have no brand preference. I have loved my previous suzuki's yamaha's and hondas. I am buying a 954 cause I have wanted one since the 929. They made the new price to hard to resist. Riding a bike is not relevant to the make or manufacturer. It's relevant to what you enjoy. If you have fun riding it, who gives a rats?? Guess I'm old enough to not care about 'pose value'. I just love riding. And I have a LOT of roads to choose from. hehehehe
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Oooooh you bitch. ;-) Jealous I hope
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didn't anyone here notice motodude's avatar??? c'mon dude..
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yeah, i was wondering about that avatar as well. Was not expecting that.
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Re: Sportbike Mag. says CBR1000RR is slower than comp.

whatever floats your boat dude.

Guess the next bike's the RC then huh?

*duck*

True enough, the clutch mfr was a 'just-in-case' type deal, and I appreciate it lots. I do however find the new 1000RR a little on the frumpy side.

I know I sound like a poser, and probably am a little (since my riding prowess is so minute, I don't pretend to be able to wring out the potential of my bike). Hence, colour and looks are criterias I look for when dreaming of my next bike.

So far, with all the pix, and the 1-2 vids I've seen of the new bike, I have to say no. None of the colour schemes appeal to me, and as odd as it sounds (I never thought I'd type this, since the bike is inspired by the 211V), but it looks kinda boring - a little too conservative. I hated the 954 front when I first saw it, but I'm preferring that to the 1000RR's lights. It just doens't look like anything special.... Ugh. Flog me!

Anyway, enough about dreaming, I'm still loving my 929, so there!

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Motodude : Hello,
* * Thumbing through the European Sportbike magazine at Borders, I noticed that they had weight and horsepower figures for the CBR1000RR. *They mentioned that the HP was 165 and the weight was 178KG (I think), stating that made it probably the slowest compared to the rest of the competition. *Additionally, they said Honda reps were quick to offer explanations like they decided to put on a steel exhaust to keep the prices down....that the 600RR is not the lightest bike but it's the best in its class... *
* * I know my riding skills are not worthy to take on any of the new liter bikes coming out next year however, I'm quite dejected about Honda's decisions and excuses. *Don't get me wrong, I'm a happy Blade owner who has owned 6 Hondas out of the 7 bikes I've ever owned. *I'm satisfied with Honda build quality and will definitely purchase another Honda in the future. *However, I've heard too many Honda fanatics who still say that weight and horsepower numbers do not matter. *Come on! *Get off it. *
* * When the first Blade and the second CBR 600 came out, they were praised for their magnificent power to weight ratio, which at the time the other guys couldn't beat. *Sure, Honda fans flaunted these numbers but ever since the GSXR and R1 came out, Honda fans are now saying that we shouldn't care. *Now I know these new literbikes are more bike than anyone needs on the street but isn't that what literbikes are all about? *Are you going to say that the other companies should fall in line with Honda and make their GSXR, R1, and ZXR1000 less powerful and heavier or that the CBR1000RR is a better bike because it is less powerful and that they focus more on the overall package or on their build quality?
* * We all know Honda can make such a bike, look at the RCV 211, the origional Blade, etc. *Sure, I like my Blade and it was was a fantastic bike when it came out but they have been using the same motor on the Blade for about a decade now. *I'd like to see a bit more innovation from Honda, something that is truely origional that is quite revolutionary. *I see the other companies doing it, taking chances, but I've got to admit that Honda is becoming quite the cookie cutter company. *
* * Sorry about the big ass rant but I guess I just needed to say it.
but they have been using the same motor on the Blade for about a decade now. I'd like to see a bit more innovation from Honda, something that is truely origional that is quite revolutionary. [I]

What, what, what, whaaaaaaaaaaaaaat? The same motor???? No innovation???? Put the pipe down jimmy, you've had enough! It's very obvious that you do not have personal experience comparing the competition to Honda! Cookie cutter???? What, what, what, whaaaaaaaaaaat?

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