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Ok well the other day I was riding, amd my cluster would blank out upon idle, but when I was on the gas it was fine.....went home turned off the beast, and when I went to ride again the battery was dead.....I bought a new battery put it in a rode for a few days....then it was dead again.....keep in mind I didnt put the new battery on a charger, just installed and rode....so Ive had the new battery on the charger for about 24 hours maybe longer off and on...reinstalled it and of course she starts......while she was running I disconnected the positive battery cable and she dies....now if this was a car that would indicate charging issues...is this what Im dealing with now ? Any input will help, is appreciated, and respected !! Thanks Yall !!!
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Re: Input Please

Check the stator and the regulator.
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Thats kinda what I was thinking but Im still in denial
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Re: Input Please

It's a Honda.
Whenever you have electrical problems on a Honda the stator and regulator are the first things to check.

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Ok well the other day I was riding, amd my cluster would blank out upon idle, but when I was on the gas it was fine.....went home turned off the beast, and when I went to ride again the battery was dead.....I bought a new battery put it in a rode for a few days....then it was dead again.....keep in mind I didnt put the new battery on a charger, just installed and rode....so Ive had the new battery on the charger for about 24 hours maybe longer off and on...reinstalled it and of course she starts......while she was running I disconnected the positive battery cable and she dies....now if this was a car that would indicate charging issues...is this what Im dealing with now ? Any input will help, is appreciated, and respected !! Thanks Yall !!!
in (most) cars the alternator can withstand the entire electical load and therefore as you mentioned above, if you disconnect the battery and the car dies, you may have charging problems, on a bike however this is not the case, the stator can not normally drive the load of the coils and therefore if the battery is disconnected the bike will kill over instantly, so getting back on track...the fact that this is happening to your bike does mean charing problems straight away... but like everyone else has said, a good starting point is the stator and regulator/recifier.

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Re: Input Please

How do you check the stator and/or regulator to determine which one is bad ?
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Re: Input Please

Bikes are not different from cars.
But, bike or car, if you need continuous power to run the fuel pump or injectors then it probably isn't going to run off the alternator - at least not for very long. If you don't have either of those then it will probably run fine without the battery.

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How do you check the stator and/or regulator to determine which one is bad ?
everything should be in this document

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in (most) cars the alternator can withstand the entire electical load and therefore as you mentioned above, if you disconnect the battery and the car dies, you may have charging problems, on a bike however this is not the case, the stator can not normally drive the load of the coils and therefore if the battery is disconnected the bike will kill over instantly, so getting back on track...the fact that this is happening to your bike does mean charing problems straight away... but like everyone else has said, a good starting point is the stator and regulator/recifier.

While the car or bike is running all the electrics are being run from the alternator. The alternator is also charging the battery so it can supplement the power draw at times of high draw - times when you are drawing power faster than the battery is charging. Cars do generally have bigger alternators as they often have to run radios, air conditioning, windows, locks, etc and more lighting than bikes.
The stator is more than capable of powering the engine but without battery power you can't start an injected engine or supply fuel via a fuel pump.

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While the car or bike is running all the electrics are being run from the alternator. The alternator is also charging the battery so it can supplement the power draw at times of high draw - times when you are drawing power faster than the battery is charging. Cars do generally have bigger alternators as they often have to run radios, air conditioning, windows, locks, etc and more lighting than bikes.
The stator is more than capable of powering the engine but without battery power you can't start an injected engine or supply fuel via a fuel pump.
I recently converted a 1979 yamaha RD400 into a cafe racer, I took off all the lights and switch gear, and made a new wiring harness consisting of the alternator, regulator, rectifier, kill switch and coils, and the bike alternator could not generate a spark (push start or kick start) unless the battery was connected. in my experience thus far, the only bikes that can run without a battery are off road bikes. every road bike i worked on (carbs or injected) have needed a battery to generate spark.
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