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Slightly worrying article in The Times

A warning of things to come?

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Re: Slightly worrying article in The Times

...The Motor Cycle Industry Association argues quite reasonably that it is not what bike you ride but how you ride it. Although casualty rates, in terms of deaths per mile travelled by bike, are up on last year, the association argues that the long-term trend is down...

I just think we need more tracks, more training, and less people driving 170 on public roads!
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Very troubling...

I have always wanted a Super Sport and now that I have one, it seems that world is crashing down all around. I can just hope that we can show that not all of the sport bike riders are stunting and running triple digit numbers through the public streets. Then again, the video of the idiot on top of the Z71 in the off topic section helps to inforce the claim that it isn't the bike, its the person taking ownership. Let us all pray......

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Re: Slightly worrying article in The Times

Notice it doesn't take into account the number of cyclists killed because they were hit by cagers.
I don't know about the trend over there, but around here the vast majority of riders are on cruisers. Many of the injuries/deaths are because this particular segment of riders is notorious for riding without proper gear, especially a helmet. However, articles like this seem to only focus on the fast sportbikes...
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Re: Slightly worrying article in The Times

Sounds like the insurance companies are getting to the politicians.

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Re: Slightly worrying article in The Times

Yes, today's bikes are fast, super fast. I have been riding street bikes since 1967 when a 125mph top speed was considered 'fast', and a zero-60mph time of 5 secs, and a standing 1/4 time of 13secs was impressive. Bikes have gotten faster as the years have gone by, with today's bikes being much, much faster than anything that went before, and they continue to get faster. But they have also become safer too. The tires of 'yester-year' didn't grip anything like as well as their modern counterparts, brakes back then were abysmal and most bikes didn't handle very well when pushed to the limit, (the Norton featherbed frame being about the only exception!). Today's sport bikes are lighter and handle superbly, and have brakes that out-perform anything on the road. While I will agree that a modern sport bike is not for the rider with limited experience I still think that the main cause of motorcyclist deaths is due to uneducated, incompetant, incapable, untrained, careless, 4 wheel vehicle drivers. Most motorcyclists take their riding very seriously. They keep their vehicles in top condition, dress in the best protective clothing and pay the utmost attention to what other road users are doing, as well as having to pay minute attention to every road condition. Today's motorcyclist is forced by law to drive with his/her headlights on, and voluntarily dresses in bright. eye catching colors in order to be seen more easily by other drivers. But car drivers continue to be 'distracted' by more and more modern conveniences which are thrown into their vehicles. Cell phones, video display screens for the kids strapped out of reach in the back seats, satellite direction screens and complex 300watt stereos/CD players/radios/tape decks are just some of the items that allow a car to become another 'room' away from home where drivers can eat their breakfast on the way to work, fix their makeup in the vanity mirror, or just read the morning paper while steering with their knees. And, as roads become more and more congested with more and more of these drivers, the danger to motorcyclists continues to rise.
As is the norm, whenever motorcyclist deaths increase the hue and cry is focused on speed, and the blame placed on the motorcycles and their riders. It is easier to remove the 'problem' than to trace the blame to its true source. What ensues is a 'witchhunt' with huge fines and revenues raised for the annual police ball by confiscating motorcycles. But this will not cure the problem. There used to be an advertisement on British TV that encouraged car drivers to "Think once, Think twice, THINK BIKE' before making any manouver in a car. It was a great advertisement and I praise it for focusing on the main cause of motorcycle accidents...........the inattention of car drivers!!!!!
So, I don't have the answer, and there probably isn't one that will work. We will just have to continue to be more and more cautious out there as we try to anticipate every move of every other vehicle on the road..........while also keeping a sharp eye out for the police as they increase their 'witch hunt' against all those dangerous motorcycles!!!!!
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Re: Slightly worrying article in The Times

It can be argued (at least in the US) that the largest group making the news for motorcycle deaths are inexperienced, helmetless, cruiser riders (unless a lot of over 40 riders are killing themselves on sportbikes).

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Re: Slightly worrying article in The Times

We had a similar campain over here "think left, think right, think bike" What are your helmet laws in the US? you guys seem to be mentioning helmetless riders a lot, are these guys just disregarding the law or dont you have a mandatory helmet law?

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Re: Slightly worrying article in The Times

Helmet laws vary from state to state. Most require under 18 to wear a helmet, but many leave it up to the rider over 18 to make a personal choice.
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Re: Slightly worrying article in The Times

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We had a similar campain over here "think left, think right, think bike" What are your helmet laws in the US? you guys seem to be mentioning helmetless riders a lot, are these guys just disregarding the law or dont you have a mandatory helmet law?
Each state passes its own laws in regard to helmets. Here in Illinois there is no helmet law. I'd estimate 50-60% of sportbike riders wear them and maybe 10-15% of harley/cruiser riders.
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Re: Slightly worrying article in The Times

Jungleboy, it varies from state to state. Shortly after I moved to Arizona in '74 the state repealed the mandatory helmet law, and to this day there is none (much to the joy of the Hardly riders). I don't know which states do or don't have the law though.
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Re: Slightly worrying article in The Times

Yes, unfortunately we have had the helmet law for some years now in many States. Unfortunate not because helmets are a bad thing but unfortunate that it is a law that you have to wear one!!!!

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http://www.cgcweb.com/helmet.htm
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Re: Slightly worrying article in The Times

Here in Florida, you do not have to wear a helmet if you have a certain amount of get this, LIFE INSURANCE. I think the law was changed to make this type of exemption because of all of the HD and alike riders that come for bikeweek and biketoberfest. I seriously doubt most of them have the insurance though.
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Re: Slightly worrying article in The Times

I know a lot of mcyclists die each year, but how many more die vs how many more people are riding also?

I mean, we had as many people die last year as we did in 1980, but how many more riders are there.

I would gamble a whole lot more thats for sure!

So, per capa. I bet thing are down.

And certainly not to sounds insensitive in the least, as I lost my brother to a MC accident a few years back.

But we all have to die some way, so if we are not a MC statistic, then we would be another somewhere else for someone to lobby about.
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