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post #1 of 51 Old 05-21-2009, 12:33 PM Thread Starter
 
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Custom work on blade

well, now that I have owned my blade for a while i have now had the plentiful time find some good ideas that honda should have thought up.

Functional Carbon Fiber Ram Air kit
Large flush mounted LED signals kit
High Speed Low Drag fairing kit

now all of this work needs to be custom, considering the small amount of already manufactured parts available.

I have done custom fab work before with CF and Aluminum and steel plastic you name it...

Any one who has a front upper fairing that has been damaged beyond repair
I want it

any one who has a front fender that has been damaged i want it

preferably the parts would be free ill pay for shipping and in return if i get enough orders once the prototypes are done you will get a related kit free!!!!

right now im going to start on the CF ram air and front end drag reducing high speed kit and work rearward from that.

any ideas critisism and general flaming is always appreciated. pictures will be posted as work is completed after of course the patents are submitted on the kits.

i want to make the kits easy as can be so any one can install them.
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Can't wait to see the end result(s)...

Good Luck

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Bumpity for any one who is willing to part with a rashed/cracked front fairing.... ill pay for it and shipping cheaper the better......
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Re: Custom work on blade

finally got a front fairing for the custom work.

i will be making molds of inner fender liners for Carbon fiber ram air.

i need one more ducati 1098 mirror with integrated signal in it - right side already have left.


question to people who Dyno tune bikes......

if you have a PC3 are you able to change values for MAP (manifold absolute pressure) & IAT (Idle air temp), Also, are you able to change values for the exhaust butterfly to open sooner or anything like that?
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question to people who Dyno tune bikes......

if you have a PC3 are you able to change values for MAP (manifold absolute pressure) & IAT (Idle air temp), Also, are you able to change values for the exhaust butterfly to open sooner or anything like that?
Not unless you physically alter the air pressure and temperature to increase the sensor signal.
You don't need to mess with the seperate sensors.
Together the sensors provide all the engine and ambient data to the ECU.
From these data the ECU decides when and for how long to trigger the injectors and what ignition advance is best.
All the PC does is change that _final_ signal to the injectors and ignition timing to what you determine you need according to the air/fuel ratio or dyno curve or from test riding the bike.
Unless you were tuning a bike to be run at a different altitude I can't see any point in altering the MAP.
If you were tuning a bike in 45C ambient but want it tuned to operate in a 20C environment I guess there might be a reason to reduce the ambient temperature in the dyno room. The result though would probably be more effective to simply tune it in the actual environment you intend to run the engine.

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Re: Custom work on blade

well, here is the basis of my question.

Ram air; tuning the bike, because at freeway speeds ~65mph you have 1-1.5PSI into your air box (depending on base altitude) i want to make sure that with all that extra air the engine wont lean it self too far out. I do know on some pwr Commander installations you need to remove the O2 sensor, i dont know if this is common pratice or what?
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well, here is the basis of my question.

Ram air; tuning the bike, because at freeway speeds ~65mph you have 1-1.5PSI into your air box (depending on base altitude) i want to make sure that with all that extra air the engine wont lean it self too far out. I do know on some pwr Commander installations you need to remove the O2 sensor, i dont know if this is common pratice or what?
I think that's the point of having the MAP sensor. It tells the ECU what the pressure is in the airbox and it sends the required fuel to the injectors.

The problem with the O2 sensor is that it alters the signal going to the ECU purely on the air/fuel ratio after combustion which messes up your custom mapping which is already taking the air/fuel ratio into consideration.

If for some reason you do want to mess with the MAP sensor it probably has a varying resistance signal so maybe you could connect an ohm meter in the line and see what the signal is at various speeds. From that you could make something that alters that resistance signal to whatever you want. I really don't see much to be gained by doing so though.

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ok so now I guess i'll have to find out what the max pound rate on stock injectors is. and apply that to figures that are required at various speeds for the optimum a/f ratio.

bladeracer, excellent thank you very much for the insight.
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ok so now I guess i'll have to find out what the max pound rate on stock injectors is. and apply that to figures that are required at various speeds for the optimum a/f ratio.

bladeracer, excellent thank you very much for the insight.
Not sure what you mean about pound rate.
I think the ECU only controls the time the injectors are open.
I don't believe it does anything to alter the fuel pressure.

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Re: Custom work on blade

no, all injectors are measured in LB rate

ie; stock injectors on a 400 small block w/TPI injection are 12lb
a corvette with the same motor and TPI are 24lb

well i found it they are measured in CC
https://www.fireblades.org/forums/hon...flow-rate.html

240cc/min at 70% duty
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no, all injectors are measured in LB rate

ie; stock injectors on a 400 small block w/TPI injection are 12lb
a corvette with the same motor and TPI are 24lb

well i found it they are measured in CC
https://www.fireblades.org/forums/hon...flow-rate.html

240cc/min at 70% duty
I know they're measured that way.
I don't understand the relevance though for tuning as it doesn't change due to ECU signals - or does it?

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well with a certain limitation in fuel, and say we up the amount of air mixed with the max fuel amount to we'll say double. you would need an injector that can supply the newly needed amount of fuel to the new air mixture.

as more air is needed so is fuel, so the injector has a open time that is variable to allow more or less fuel to enter the mixture for proper power and burn. injectors are like a lawn sprinkler sylonoid variable timing for appropriate watering of your lawn.

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well with a certain limitation in fuel, and say we up the amount of air mixed with the max fuel amount to we'll say double. you would need an injector that can supply the newly needed amount of fuel to the new air mixture.
I thought you were talking about tuning a fairly stock bike though?

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Re: Custom work on blade

well i want to keep it mostly stock but if i have to get new injectors for the ram air system, i have to get new ones.

i just dont want the bike to die at 160mph on the salt flats running with almost 3lbs boost of air rammed down its throat.
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well i want to keep it mostly stock but if i have to get new injectors for the ram air system, i have to get new ones.

i just dont want the bike to die at 160mph on the salt flats running with almost 3lbs boost of air rammed down its throat.
Now I understand :-)
I should have read the original post.
What about running the 1000RR dual-injector throttle bodies?
Can you really get 3psi in there without a drag penalty?

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