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929 5.5 Rear wheel

Can someone tell me if there is a 5.5 x 17 rear wheel that will bolt into my 929 please.
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Re: 929 5.5 Rear wheel

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Can someone tell me if there is a 5.5 x 17 rear wheel that will bolt into my 929 please.
Perhaps the 600RR might.
Can I ask why?

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Re: 929 5.5 Rear wheel

you can basically mount any wheel in there smaller than a 6" but the smaller you go the more offset its gonna be to line up the chain and you're gonna have to get spacers for the rear brake rotor. 5.5 probably shouldn't be too bad but in any case you're gonna have to get some bigger wheel spacers. most likely you'd have to get them custom made too. so overall its not really a good idea.

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Re: 929 5.5 Rear wheel

Can I ask why?[/quote]

To increase the flicability and corner speed of the bike, where I ride there are alot of quick changes of direction and long corners.

I don't really want to spend the money for lighter wheels so this is one off my options.
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Re: 929 5.5 Rear wheel

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Can I ask why?
To increase the flicability and corner speed of the bike, where I ride there are alot of quick changes of direction and long corners.

I don't really want to spend the money for lighter wheels so this is one off my options.[/quote]

The narrower wheel won't affect that.
All you want is 180/55 tyres.
I doubt you'll find the 5.5" to be much if anything lighter than the 6" and the 180 and 190 tyres are almost identical in weight.
Most of the weight of the wheels is in the hub so having 6mm less aluminium around each rim really doesn't make much difference at all.
Also, raise the rear of the bike as that will help.

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Re: 929 5.5 Rear wheel

I am not keen on puttting a 180 on a 6" rim as I would prefer a taller profile to my tyre, I don't want to change the balance of the bike by changing the ride height unless it's to compensate for a different tyre.
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I am not keen on puttting a 180 on a 6" rim as I would prefer a taller profile to my tyre, I don't want to change the balance of the bike by changing the ride height unless it's to compensate for a different tyre.
The 180/55 works fine on the 6" wheels though and racers often prefer them because of their sharper profile and improved flickability.
The ride height is what dictates how the bike steer so it's the first place to start rather than the last.

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Re: 929 5.5 Rear wheel

I would love to debate the cause and effect of motorcycle chassi set up as there are many facters to take into consideration.

However I am not that fast a typer.

If someone know of a wheel setup that bolts into a 929 that would be good.
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I would love to debate the cause and effect of motorcycle chassi set up as there are many facters to take into consideration.
If someone know of a wheel setup that bolts into a 929 that would be good.
Indeed the theory is a complex subject, however, I and many, many other riders and racers have simply tried it for ourselves ;-)
I really would be interested to hear what has led you to believe a wheel 12mm narrower would improve flickability.
For your research I measured brand new 180/55 and 190/50 SuperCorsa's last year after installing them on my 6" wheels.
The 180/55 has a circumference of 2010mm and the 190/50 is 1970mm so you can see for yourself how the 180/55 speeds up the steering being both taller and narrower. They both weighed 6035gms each.
A very quick calculation puts a 5.5" wheel at _roughly_ 200gms lighter than the 6" wheel. Being at the outermost edge it's certainly a nice reduction but it isn't going to be noticeable on the bike in my opinion. Merely wearing 1000gms of rubber off your tyre from normal usage would be _far_ more significant and I don't know that I've ever noticed the bike being significantly more flickable on worn tyres.

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Re: 929 5.5 Rear wheel

I should add that your 6" 929 wheel weighs 15.276kgs including a new SuperCorsa tyre - 0.2kg (if anything at all) really isn't enough to warrant the narrower wheel.

That's including the wheel, valve, bearings, bearing spacer, cushdrive, sprocket carrier, OEM 42T sprocket and disc and their bolts.

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Re: 929 5.5 Rear wheel

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Indeed the theory is a complex subject, however, I and many, many other riders and racers have simply tried it for ourselves ;-)
I really would be interested to hear what has led you to believe a wheel 12mm narrower would improve flickability.
For your research I measured brand new 180/55 and 190/50 SuperCorsa's last year after installing them on my 6" wheels.
The 180/55 has a circumference of 2010mm and the 190/55 is 1970mm so you can see for yourself how the 180/55 speeds up the steering being both taller and narrower. They both weighed 6035gms each.
A very quick calculation puts a 5.5" wheel at _roughly_ 200gms lighter than the 6" wheel. Being at the outermost edge it's certainly a nice reduction but it isn't going to be noticeable on the bike in my opinion. Merely wearing 1000gms of rubber off your tyre from normal usage would be _far_ more significant and I don't know that I've ever noticed the bike being significantly more flickable on worn tyres.
It appears that you think I have not raced or been involved in Motorcycle sport, how you would know this is beyond me

Not that I don't believe you but I went into my shed and measured a worn 190/55 Supercorser ( I am assuming you measured a 55 A/R tyre) and got a figure of 2005mm .
I also meaasured a number of 180/55 slicks I have and although they were not supercorsers none measure more than 1995mm.

Maybe yours is shorter than mine but I can't readily explain the difference.

It's good to see we have similar taste in tyres, as I also like the Supercorser however the new Racetech Metzeler I've been using also perform very well.
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It appears that you think I have not raced or been involved in Motorcycle sport, how you would know this is beyond me

Not that I don't believe you but I went into my shed and measured a worn 190/55 Supercorser ( I am assuming you measured a 55 A/R tyre) and got a figure of 2005mm .
I also meaasured a number of 180/55 slicks I have and although they were not supercorsers none measure more than 1995mm.

Maybe yours is shorter than mine but I can't readily explain the difference.

It's good to see we have similar taste in tyres, as I also like the Supercorser however the new Racetech Metzeler I've been using also perform very well.
I haven't assumed anything of the sort. What is your background since you've brought it up?
My measurements are with 40psi and installed on 6" wheels. Are you measuring uninstalled tyres?
Being as Metzeler is owned by Pirelli is the Racetech a rebranded copy of one of the Pirellis or a totally different tyre?
I run Pirelli slicks and finish them off on the road but I bought two sets of treaded tyres last year purely so I could run them alongside each other to test see the characteristics of the two rear tyre sizes side by side, same bike, same circuit, same day. Unfortunately I got sick and haven't been able to do this test.

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190/55 Supercorser ( I am assuming you measured a 55 A/R tyre)
No, as stated the measurement is for the 190/50 stock tyre size.

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Re: 929 5.5 Rear wheel

Sorry to hear you got sick, nothing long term I hope?

That measurement was uninstalled on a worn tyre, please don't tell me tyres get smaller with air in them.

The Metzler is a different tyre, however it shares the light weight and relitively soft sidewall construction of the Super corsa.

As for me, I raced for 6 years,Superbike, Supermono as well as track days and at one point ran a track day/ Rider coaching company and suspension buisness here in Qld.
However I realised if you really want to make money the motorcycle industry is not the place to do it.

Now I just ride for fun and enjoy trying different things on my project bikes.

I was looking at you pic's, are they all of you on the 929.
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No, as stated the measurement is for the 190/50 stock tyre size.
I measured the 190/55, I didn't even know the made a 190/50 supercorsa.
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