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02 954 keys lost

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My friend has lost the (only) key to his '02 954. The bike seems to be a US spec model because the turn signals stay on and it doesn't have the Fireblade moniker on it. It definitely has hiss. What should he do now?

I spoke to bikebandit.com and they suggest that the lock switch needs to be replaced and you're good to go. It will come with 2 new programmed and cut keys. He says the the ecm/ecu will have to be replaced.

In which year was HISS introduced in the US? I hear it was introduced first everywhere else.
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Hi,

My friend has lost the (only) key to his '02 954. The bike seems to be a US spec model because the turn signals stay on and it doesn't have the Fireblade moniker on it. It definitely has hiss. What should he do now?

I spoke to bikebandit.com and they suggest that the lock switch needs to be replaced and you're good to go. It will come with 2 new programmed and cut keys. He says the the ecm/ecu will have to be replaced.

In which year was HISS introduced in the US? I hear it was introduced first everywhere else.
If it has HISS then it is definately not a US model - I'm not aware of any US bikes at all with HISS.
Then Bikebandit are wrong.
You will need to get a new or secondhand non-US HISS ECU _with_ matched keys. Only the ECU and keys matter although you may want to get the keys with an ignition switch already cut to match the keys.
All you need is a coded key within 50mm of the HISS sensor to trigger the HISS off, you can start the bike with a simple key cut to fit your existing ignition if you wish.
The alternative is to get the complete US ECU, harness, instruments and ignition switch and get rid of the HISS entirely.

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Re: 02 954 keys lost

Isn't it known as the Fireblade in all markets other than the US? I've also noticed that the American bikes usually have their turn signals on all the time with the low beam.
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Isn't it known as the Fireblade in all markets other than the US? I've also noticed that the American bikes usually have their turn signals on all the time with the low beam.
I think it is a Fireblade everywhere except the US but I don't know that they all have the same stickers. Since it's hardly new the stickers could've been removed or the fairings may have been replaced with US parts already.
No idea about the lights but I'm sure it's not just the US and somebody may have modified it anyway.
The VIN will tell you which market it is.
SC44A are non-US bikes, SC44B is Germany and SC44C is France.

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I think it is a Fireblade everywhere except the US but I don't know that they all have the same stickers. Since it's hardly new the stickers could've been removed or the fairings may have been replaced with US parts already.
No idea about the lights but I'm sure it's not just the US and somebody may have modified it anyway.
The VIN will tell you which market it is.
SC44A are non-US bikes, SC44B is Germany and SC44C is France.
Thanks!

Its an SC50 bike. This is the chassis number on the right side though. The vin is on the left side, correct?
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Re: 02 954 keys lost

uk bikes have run dip lights on all the time since about 2004.

Dealer should be able to supply keys (which coded chip inside) from the VIN on the log book if the ecu is original.
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Its an SC50 bike. This is the chassis number on the right side though. The vin is on the left side, correct?
Sorry, yes SC50 for the 954's :-)
No idea as the VIN tag can be anywhere. Here it's on the steering head.
The VIN _is_ the chassis number copied to the VIN tag which has the date and model among other information for licensing.

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uk bikes have run dip lights on all the time since about 2004.

Dealer should be able to supply keys (which coded chip inside) from the VIN on the log book if the ecu is original.
We had hard-wired lights for a few years but as far as I know the law was reversed some years ago. Many bikes are still hard-wired though simply because it would cost the manufacturer's money to change it unnecessarily.
Are you sure about the HISS keys?

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Sorry, yes SC50 for the 954's :-)
No idea as the VIN tag can be anywhere. Here it's on the steering head.
The VIN _is_ the chassis number copied to the VIN tag which has the date and model among other information for licensing.
So where are the SC50 bikes from?

The 954 service manual (pdf) that I have says that the VIN is always on the left side on the frame. Its an American manual though.

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We had hard-wired lights for a few years but as far as I know the law was reversed some years ago. Many bikes are still hard-wired though simply because it would cost the manufacturer's money to change it unnecessarily.
Are you sure about the HISS keys?
What do you mean by "hard-wired?

Is it a good idea to get a switch made for bikes so that you can switch off the low beam in the day?
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So where are the SC50 bikes from?

The 954 service manual (pdf) that I have says that the VIN is always on the left side on the frame. Its an American manual though.



What do you mean by "hard-wired?

Is it a good idea to get a switch made for bikes so that you can switch off the low beam in the day?
All 954's are SC50's. The A,B or C after it indicates which non-US market it was built for. US market bikes have a number instead of a letter - 0 for 49-state bikes and 1 for Cali bikes.
Hard-wired meaning they don't have a switch to turn the lights off.
It depends on your view of whether having your lights on makes it easier or harder to be seen by others. I personally don't believe it makes any difference if they're on or off if the other person isn't looking out for you anyway.

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All 954's are SC50's. The A,B or C after it indicates which non-US market it was built for. US market bikes have a number instead of a letter - 0 for 49-state bikes and 1 for Cali bikes.
Hard-wired meaning they don't have a switch to turn the lights off.
It depends on your view of whether having your lights on makes it easier or harder to be seen by others. I personally don't believe it makes any difference if they're on or off if the other person isn't looking out for you anyway.
This bike doesnt have any letters after the SC50. Its all numbers after that. Something like SC501144. Will post the exact number.
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Re: 02 954 keys lost

Back to the orignal question, you may be able to pick the lock on the gas cap then cut a key from that.
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Back to the orignal question, you may be able to pick the lock on the gas cap then cut a key from that.
That will only help to unlock the steering lock, not start the bike .
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Re: 02 954 keys lost

would'nt it be easier to take the trunk lock out and bring it to a lock smith?
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This bike doesnt have any letters after the SC50. Its all numbers after that. Something like SC501144. Will post the exact number.
In that case it's a US bike - and doesn't have HISS.
Has it got the HISS sensor around the ignition?

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