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Talk with a mechanic (929 vs 954)

I had a talk today with a fairly knowledgable mechanic who has raced a 929, and currently a 954. Generally, he says the 954 is a stronger, more refined bike, howhever, due to the diferences to the motor from the 929, it's far less reliable in the long term. As a result, the 954's generally last 60-80k kms before needing motor work vs. the 929, which can reach 150k, even 200k+ kms. So does this guy know what he's talking about?

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Re: Talk with a mechanic (929 vs 954)

I think the guy may be talking out his , not trying to flame him here, but how many bikes has he seen go that distance? theoretically the 954 may be a little more highly strung than the 929, but i wouldn't think enough to make that difference

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Re: Talk with a mechanic (929 vs 954)

My guess would be that Honda has the same "quality" standard on the 954 as the 929... The piston speed is far from critical on any of them and(providing they are well balanced) with good care (as specified by the workshopmanual) both the 954 and the 929 will last a LONG time

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Re: Talk with a mechanic (929 vs 954)

Sorry, I forgot to add that his main argument was based on the different types of coatings used on the two bikes, with the 954 using one that results in better performance at the cost of long-term reliability.

This guy gave me tons of advice on various things and before I take his suggestions, I just wanted to see if he's not the type who talks crap in a believable way.

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Re: Talk with a mechanic (929 vs 954)

RRBARNA If you don't mind me asking what other info did he give you?
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A bunch of small suggestions and comments not worth posting regarding break-in, tire life, PCIII, etc.

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Re: Talk with a mechanic (929 vs 954)

When mentioning "coatings" I'm assuming he is talking about between the block and piston rings? If so, it is my understanding that both use Nikasil plating, so I don't understand his arguement there. I would say take his suggestions/recommendations with a grain of salt. This website seems to be a great place to obtain info about many different things when you have a question. You also get many different aspects.
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Re: Talk with a mechanic (929 vs 954)

Unless they made some mid-run changes, both models use the same cylinder wall treatment and the piston surfaces are the same.
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Is this a true statement :

If one has their motor bored, the "coating" is therefore gone.

If so, then does that mean that the bored engine will not be as "durable" as the stock engine.

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Re: Talk with a mechanic (929 vs 954)

Friendly reminder....never run high sulphur fuels in any motor that has Nikasil treated bores. It's not pretty....

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Re: Talk with a mechanic (929 vs 954)

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Is this a true statement :

If one has their motor bored, the "coating" is therefore gone.

If so, then does that mean that the bored engine will not be as "durable" as the stock engine.

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well the 954 is just a bored out 929 (which I think is what you're getting at) and of course Honda did coat the cylinders in both motors. but if you have your motor bored make sure its a competant machinist and they resleeve it after doing the boring.

if you can't convince them, confuse them.
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Re: Talk with a mechanic (929 vs 954)

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Friendly reminder....never run high sulphur fuels in any motor that has Nikasil treated bores. It's not pretty....
I'm guessing high sulphur fuel isn't all that common anyway right? I know a Premium Diesel is actually labeled as having low sulphur but that means nothing to any bike anyway.

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I'm guessing high sulphur fuel isn't all that common anyway right? I know a Premium Diesel is actually labeled as having low sulphur but that means nothing to any bike anyway.
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If you say so....

How 'bout some insight.

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Re: Talk with a mechanic (929 vs 954)

I also believe that the coating was the same. now they did change it with the 04 though(from what i've read). resleeve? I thought the bores were integral to the block.
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