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07-10-2004 4:53 PM
CBR929RE
Re: HELP 954 sag

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Originally Posted by Chain
Calm down kiddo. Bacchus, I'm sure, didn't mean for you to take offense at his post - he's about the easiest guy to get along with here.

Anyway, you're flat wrong about your suspension. Rock hard doesn't equal great handling.

You may find by adjusting fork and shock to O.M. suggested preload, then backing out on damping and rebound before repetitive riding of the same stretch of backcountry road with a screwdriver in your back pocket, that you can dial in sufficiently "sporty" handling w/o getting a jarring ride. You have to realize, if your suspension doesn't allow the bike's wheels to track over bumps, dips and irregularities in the pavement, you won't be going as fast as you can go, or in as much comfort or safety as is possible.

Pick up a copy of Kevin Cameron's Sportbike Performance Handbook and do some searching here on Fireblades as well as Racetech's website - you'll learn alot with little effort.

http://www.racetech.com/SubMenu.asp?...u=11&showPage=

no no no I wasn't taking offense at anyones post, there's just a lot of stuff I don't know about riding and I want to learn as much as I can. and I didn't really mean rock hard would be great handling, but a harder (not necessarily as hard as it can be) suspension as compared to one thats really mushy will help it handle better, like the trucks I drive at work, one series of trucks has a rock hard suspension and the other series is a little softer but the hard one can take a highway ramp so much better and faster than the softer one, the softer one feels like it wants to skip the back tires around the bend. basically it comes down to whereever you find it most comfortable and whatever suits your riding style, correct?
07-10-2004 4:22 PM
Chain
Re: HELP 954 sag

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Originally Posted by CBR929RE
what exactly do you mena beating the crap outta me? I shouldn't say its set at stock setting because I don't know what the previous owner had set it at but I imagine he was heavier than me. it is a little hard but I want it that way I think, I figure if stock settings are for a 170 pound guy then those same settings should be a little hard for me (or whatever its set at). when I lowered it I noticed a little change maybe just that it was a little faster and the front wheel does have a slightly higher will to get off the ground. but I haven't changed any settings cause I don't really know what I'm doing like what does what, all I know is the harder it is the more bumps suck but sticks to the road better and the softer the better it takes bumps. I'll just start a new thread and ask you people since you know rather than commandeering this thread.
Calm down kiddo. Bacchus, I'm sure, didn't mean for you to take offense at his post - he's about the easiest guy to get along with here.

Anyway, you're flat wrong about your suspension. Rock hard doesn't equal great handling.

You may find by adjusting fork and shock to O.M. suggested preload, then backing out on damping and rebound before repetitive riding of the same stretch of backcountry road with a screwdriver in your back pocket, that you can dial in sufficiently "sporty" handling w/o getting a jarring ride. You have to realize, if your suspension doesn't allow the bike's wheels to track over bumps, dips and irregularities in the pavement, you won't be going as fast as you can go, or in as much comfort or safety as is possible.

Pick up a copy of Kevin Cameron's Sportbike Performance Handbook and do some searching here on Fireblades as well as Racetech's website - you'll learn alot with little effort.

http://www.racetech.com/SubMenu.asp?...u=11&showPage=
07-10-2004 4:11 PM
CBR929RE
Re: HELP 954 sag

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Originally Posted by Bacchus
Hey you, the 114 lb. guy, I would think with stock suspension and factory settings that your bike would be beating the living crap out of you! After 2 years I still have not touched my '02 954's suspension (out of sheer laziness), and every time I ride I wish I had. Gonna do it soon, honest...
what exactly do you mena beating the crap outta me? I shouldn't say its set at stock setting because I don't know what the previous owner had set it at but I imagine he was heavier than me. it is a little hard but I want it that way I think, I figure if stock settings are for a 170 pound guy then those same settings should be a little hard for me (or whatever its set at). when I lowered it I noticed a little change maybe just that it was a little faster and the front wheel does have a slightly higher will to get off the ground. but I haven't changed any settings cause I don't really know what I'm doing like what does what, all I know is the harder it is the more bumps suck but sticks to the road better and the softer the better it takes bumps. I'll just start a new thread and ask you people since you know rather than commandeering this thread.
07-10-2004 3:50 PM
wonder_boy
Re: HELP 954 sag

Got it. THANKS alot.
07-10-2004 3:47 PM
Chain
Re: HELP 954 sag

I'd go ahead and max the front preload until you get your springs from Kyle. It's not like you're going to do anything bad to the bike and it's not that long a time. The front end won't be all that "bump-compliant", but what the hell.
07-10-2004 3:43 PM
wonder_boy
Re: HELP 954 sag

Thanks for the great info. I will be ordering soon from Kyle raceing. He said $109 for the set. In the meantime what should I set my pre load at? Full stiff or a few turns under? I heard haveing to much preload is bad. So what do you all think? Just till I get my new springs.
07-09-2004 9:28 PM
Bacchus
Re: HELP 954 sag

Hey you, the 114 lb. guy, I would think with stock suspension and factory settings that your bike would be beating the living crap out of you! After 2 years I still have not touched my '02 954's suspension (out of sheer laziness), and every time I ride I wish I had. Gonna do it soon, honest...
07-09-2004 9:16 PM
CBR929RE
Re: HELP 954 sag

I'm glad I'm light as a feather (stood on the big industrial scale at work and it read 114, yeah I'm little so what I can out eat you any day ) so I haven't had any suspension issue like this but I've also never played with the settings on my bike, I should start doing that. the more I come to this site the more I hear about getting the suspension dialed in properly. and dan kyle seems like the man.
07-09-2004 9:04 PM
wonder_boy
Re: HELP 954 sag

Thanks for all the input. I will by ordering new springs ASAP.For now, should I set pre-load at max, or a few turns back? And should I set my rear sag a little lower as well? ( Untill I get new springs)
07-08-2004 7:54 AM
HondaGalToo
Re: HELP 954 sag

Yup, what Chain said. I'd guess you need .95. If you really want your suspension done right, send the forks off to Dan Kyle. New springs are about $100, and for $330, he will revalve and polish them. It makes a world of difference and is probably the best money you could spend on the bike.
There's a link for Kyle Racing at the top of the page.
07-08-2004 6:21 AM
Chain
Re: HELP 954 sag

You're probably too heavy for the stock progressive springs (yes they're progressive and yes they're soft, around .78 IIRC). You could probably use a .9 or .95 straight rate without a problem.

A respring is a worthy investment. Do some searches here on the board for more information. I'll get you started. Dookie from Vegas recently brought this issue up and since the discussion he's done the forks. He's much happier.

https://www.fireblades.org/forums/showthread.php?t=13360
07-08-2004 2:59 AM
wonder_boy
Re: HELP 954 sag

bump
07-08-2004 2:43 AM
wonder_boy
HELP 954 sag

I have 2003 954. Are the front springs a progressive rate spring? I am haveing sooooo much trouble getting my sag set. I'm 202 lbs with full gear. Full stiff, or stock(9 turns out) it still sits about 1 3/4". Anyone know? Or any ideas? Thanks.

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