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05-05-2005 12:39 PM
CBR929RE
Re: Having some buyers remorse w/ the 929. Suspension rant...

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Originally Posted by paularthur
bebuild. If shot consider CBR 1000RR forks.0
I thought I heard that Dan says they are junk and he can't really do anything with them. I think it was Deez that said that but he's gone now so does anyone else know?
05-04-2005 10:40 PM
paularthur
Re: Having some buyers remorse w/ the 929. Suspension rant...

The 929 (2001 at least) came with much to soft springs. Unabel to set even static sag. Game over! Besides much to harsh high speed compression damping. Which can't be changed except with re-valving. Forks themselves aren't bad but have a life of 20K then the internal part of the tubes are probably scored beyond repair. Even with regular oil changes. Make shure Dan checks this out before a bebuild. If shot consider CBR 1000RR forks.

The shock was barely acceptable and useless after 10K. Don't waste your time if you plan to keep the bike get the Ohlins. It is rebuildable after 20-25k miles.

It is imperative you change both at the same time. The suspension is a system. If Dan does your front end let him set up your (new) shock as well.

Final thought: I have ridden several sport bikes, twins and fours, and have always come back to the 929, as I have it set up (rebuilt forks with Ohlins components and Ohlins shock). It is telepathic and fits me perfectly. I easily do 450 mile days. A little under powered now that I am at 5000 ft but that has been completley remedied with a set of 954 pistons, head polishing, Ti rods, and a lightened crank. It pulls the front wheel off thru third. Additional pre motor work power improvement mods include: removal of the HTEV and all the junk in the exhaust, an Erion can and Power Commander. Latest dyno figures put it at 142 at the rear wheel.

The 929 is a fantastic (project) bike. Fix it or forget it.
05-04-2005 6:36 PM
motolombardo
Re: Having some buyers remorse w/ the 929. Suspension rant...

has anyone ever tried anything from race tech? just new oil alone and a fresh nitrogen charge in the rear will do wonders for most bikes. imo
http://www.racetech.com/evalving/eng...ngname=english
05-03-2005 10:26 PM
TGZ13
Re: Having some buyers remorse w/ the 929. Suspension rant...

For a second I was totally confused till I realized it was just another dug up thread by someone new

Back to making my list for grattan
05-03-2005 9:52 PM
jfboy
Re: Having some buyers remorse w/ the 929. Suspension rant...

I FELT THE SAME WAY YOU DO when I bought my 929. I bought it from a guy that has never pushed the bike in a turn. The tire was square like he said. I got a new rear tire and the problem was fixed. My only problem after that was that my pegs kept scraping and scraping in turns even after the scrapers were removed.

REPLACE YOU BACK TIRE !!!

Remember a bad tire is not the same as a square tire. A square tire is much worse that a bad tire.

the cbr929 is the most stable bike i ever owned. I have since then owned a zx636 and a zx10r
03-18-2005 2:53 PM
Fig
Re: Having some buyers remorse w/ the 929. Suspension rant...

Here's my input. I would start with new tires. It was night and day for me after this last set of tires. I had wore the front down almost completely, and the bike would almost stand up without the kickstand. I put new rubber on, and I almost dragged a knee making the first left turn out of the shop. I went from fighting it to go into a turn, and then another fight to get it straight, to it almost falling into the turn, and just gliding out.

Put some new tires on, and then start from there.
Fig
03-18-2005 12:43 PM
Ivo
Re: Having some buyers remorse w/ the 929. Suspension rant...

Scratch,
you're right. The 929 is a shitty bike. To remedy your problem, you could unload your troubles by selling it to me for 2K.
03-18-2005 12:20 PM
Scratch
Re: Having some buyers remorse w/ the 929. Suspension rant...

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Originally Posted by oldgoat
Just checked the For Sale section- coderedcbr is selling DK forks and aPenske rear shock, check it out.
Thanks for the tip OG, going to check it out right now
03-18-2005 7:34 AM
oldgoat
Re: Having some buyers remorse w/ the 929. Suspension rant...

First thing to try without spending money is to crank the preload adjuster all the way in, that will help alittle. Other than that there's little you can do to help the front forks IMO. I would ship th e forks to Dan Kyle ASAP. Its the best money you'll ever spend on your bike. You really don't need the Ohlin rear shock for the street, IMO. Try getting the correct spring for you weight for the rear shock, should help alot. if your going to do track days go for the Ohlin.



Just checked the For Sale section- coderedcbr is selling DK forks and aPenske rear shock, check it out.
03-18-2005 1:11 AM
Scratch
Re: Having some buyers remorse w/ the 929. Suspension rant...

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Originally Posted by RPinOZ
I've got nearly 4000k on a set of Powers including 2 track days and I love them. I'd say I'm going to get another 2500-3000 out of them.

That's great news RPinOZ! I didn't get a chance to get the full mileage out of my last set of powers because I killed my bike. I was hoping they'd give some decent mileage cuz I really loved the stick. Sounds like they're just the ticket and I'm glad I bought another set.
03-18-2005 1:10 AM
Scratch
Re: Having some buyers remorse w/ the 929. Suspension rant...

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Originally Posted by Joel
Well I've got nearly 60k miles on my stock 929 suspenders. I'm sure the suspension is shot, but it's gotten worse so gradually that I don't even notice it. I enjoy the bike a great deal, and ride it daily on tight twisty bumpy roads.

I did take the time to set the suspension up properly. It's a two person job, made a LOT easier if one of them has a bit of experience doing this sort of thing LOL!
I know I need to just do this (suspension setup). I've put off learning this for way too long and now it's biting me in the ass!

Think I'll start a journal documenting what I adjust and how it's affecting the handling.

Can't really do the shock thing right now as much as I'd love an Ohlins or Penske. Hopefully I can get it just a little bit softer so I can at least live with it for a while.

I've got a little oval not too far from here. It's a business park road that's goes around in a circle, like a tiny little track that's deserted on Sundays. That's where a buddy of mine goes anytime he needs to tweak anything on his R6 and I think I'll join him next time out to see what we can do with the bike.
03-18-2005 1:04 AM
Scratch
Re: Having some buyers remorse w/ the 929. Suspension rant...

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Originally Posted by Spanky
Anyway, give tuning a go before you break out the cheque book, you might be surprised - afterall the 929 got some great write-ups when it was first released, and IMO its a great bike.

Good Luck !
Spanky-

I'll give it a go with the stock stuff first, kind of have to, I called Kyle and he's a little backed up right now and told me to wait to send the forks in for a couple weeks. That's what I've always heard too, how great the 929 handled so imagine my surprise when I found it to be so vague and un-responsive. I'm sure the shoes are playing a large role in all this as well as the beat up stock suspenders.

I'll search for your "trials and tribulations" w/ the suspension setup

This bike is definatley gonna make me work for it but I'm willing to give it a go and not write the blade off so quickly.
03-18-2005 1:02 AM
RPinOZ
Re: Having some buyers remorse w/ the 929. Suspension rant...

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Originally Posted by Scratch
I hated the Pilot Sports also, very slow to warm up and not that great of a tire for the money IMO. I used the Powers already on my previous bike and was extremely happy/impressed with them, they're a big step up over anything I've used to date. Hopefully they'll help transform this 929 for me as well.
I've got nearly 4000k on a set of Powers including 2 track days and I love them. I'd say I'm going to get another 2500-3000 out of them.
03-18-2005 1:00 AM
Scratch
Re: Having some buyers remorse w/ the 929. Suspension rant...

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Originally Posted by Blorton
Hey Scratch,

Before you do anything else, crank the preload on the forks all the way in. (Righty-tighty on the big black socket-accepters on top. )

You can check right away that you turned the preload adjusters in the right direction by bouncing on the bike in the garage.

You should also take a couple of clicks of preload out of the shock. The stock spring on the 929 shock is notoriously too stiff for a single rider.

Try the above and I bet you'll at least feel a little better about sinking more money into the bike to have Kyle fix the forks for you, etc.

Also - a squared off rear absolutely will make these things wander in the turns. If you have the option, go with the 180 rear, it really makes the bike lots more flickable. I did that on my last tire change and love it.

Good luck,
Dan
Thanks for the suggestions Dan, I'm willing to give anything a shot at this point. I've thought about the squared off rear tire thing too, plus the tire pressure was a bit low when I got home and checked it (after letting them cool down which didn't take long).
03-18-2005 12:58 AM
Scratch
Re: Having some buyers remorse w/ the 929. Suspension rant...

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Originally Posted by HondaGalToo
<snip> I never used the Pilot Sports, but lots of folks found them slippery and slow to warm up.
I hated the Pilot Sports also, very slow to warm up and not that great of a tire for the money IMO. I used the Powers already on my previous bike and was extremely happy/impressed with them, they're a big step up over anything I've used to date. Hopefully they'll help transform this 929 for me as well.
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