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05-26-2005 7:58 PM
Cowboy1600
Re: Ford GT = POS Disclaimer: must show proof of SAE membership for entry

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Besides the stint of working on the car 24/7, other sacrifices were made. On the body pillar behind the door is some evidence: stickers that attest to the number of birds the ME Four-Twelve hit on its Oscoda test runs (PETA will no doubt file an objection).


Gold!!
05-26-2005 6:39 PM
oldgoat
Re: Bubba: Ford GT = POS

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Originally Posted by SPEED
Me to !! I'm glad I don't have opinions . This is a tuff group
05-26-2005 5:36 PM
Serial Thriller
Re: Bubba: Ford GT = POS

Didn't the GNX outperform the Corvette of it's day? And the Turbo Trans Am as well? But you're right, there is no way GM would let any Fiero out the door beating it's big brothers.

As for the as-yet-unreleased Z06, I hope they have the bugs worked out of it before it hits showrooms. I think they've already delayed release because they found a few things.

I don't think the Ford GT's problems make it a POS overall, but they are unacceptable (IMO) for a car at it's price (and there is no way I would be satisfied knowing it had a speedi sleeve on it...again, look at how much it cost). I'd say part of it's problem is that it was rushed to market too quickly. I bet they still sell as many as they can make.
05-26-2005 1:29 PM
luvtolean
Re: Bubba: Ford GT = POS

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Originally Posted by maxib
Just so noone gets the wrong impression luv , I would like to point out the fact that the '80s Corvette was grossly stifled by the EPA regs forcing the 'vette to have 180hp ('80 305) minimum, 230hp ('80 350) maximum ...all the way to a whopping decrease to 200hp ('82 350) which was the last of the C3 'vettes.

C4 'vettes were 205hp ('84 350) [there was only one '83 'vette made, and it is on display at NCM at Bowling Green] up to 245hp ('89 350) which completes the decade. (375 hp wasn't available with 350ci until the ZR1 in 1990 but it cost $27,016 for that option over the $31,979 base in 1990)

My point...
Those stats are disgustingly anemic. I don't recall the years for Fiero production, but turbocharging a six cylinder Fiero would no doubt wipe ass on a normally aspirated 'vette of the same vintage.

What do you think turbocharging the vette and then comparing? Still not apples to apples due to weight and cylinders, I know. So, how 'bout I counter with the fact that Fieros had engine compartment fires more often than 'vettes did in the '80s?
I follow you. I'm very familiar with Vettes and their story.

But, that doesn't really matter. The Quad 4 was a great little 4 cylinder GM was installing in all kinds of cars. They bolted a turbo on it, and it was a little screamer. It was cheap, durable and producable. It was not a enthusiast's modded car like your scenario. It was supposedly a car Pontiac really wanted to build.

Nothing was keeping Chevy from modding their Vette, they just didn't. Because boosting the 350 would've blown it to pieces. They would have had to have started with the block (cylinder walls were very thin in that era's 350s) and redesign everything. The Quad 4 was way overbuilt and could take it.



05-26-2005 12:18 PM
phobiaphobe
Re: Bubba: Ford GT = POS

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Originally Posted by BDA116
... There WAS and still IS a business case for the car. As previously mentioned, there were more than enough names on the list - some with deposits to sell the entire production line at a huge profit to Chrysler.
That is what you call an excellent, solid business case.
What is your source of information for this? Sounds like you might have pulled it out of your ass.

http://www.autoweek.com/article.cms?articleId=100710

It's pretty easy for the automotive press to get people excited about a new concept car. I'll wager that there were hundreds, maybe thousands of deposits for Ford Thunderbirds and Plymouth Prowlers before those companies decided to produce them.
05-26-2005 12:05 PM
ReaperAZ
Re: Bubba: Ford GT = POS

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Originally Posted by ccwilli3
sorry guys, only good thing about the GT is that photo shoot that dillion precision did with the model packing a glock...

Shooters and reloaders that receive the Blue press are familiar with what I speak of...
I think my dad was looking at that issue for a few hours too long.
05-26-2005 12:04 PM
phobiaphobe
Re: Ford GT = POS Disclaimer: must show proof of SAE membership for entry

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Originally Posted by luvtolean


Read it a little closer. The British firm did the work on Saleen's S7, not the GT.

It also says that Saleen's plant only assembles the body panels to the chassis (which come from outside suppliers, doesn't say where though)
05-26-2005 9:07 AM
bubba
Re: Ford GT = POS Disclaimer: must show proof of SAE membership for entry

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Originally Posted by evl_twn
C6 Z06 > Ford GT

hopefully that is true. in a few weeks we will see if the price reflects the supposed performance
05-26-2005 1:55 AM
stegen
Re: Ford GT = POS Disclaimer: must show proof of SAE membership for entry

me412
05-26-2005 12:00 AM
Baketech
Re: Ford GT = POS Disclaimer: must show proof of SAE membership for entry

Speedi-Sleeve doesn't bother me...it's been used for years in automotive and industrial apps...even on OEM stuff where the shafting needs better abrasion resistance than the parent metal can offer...
05-25-2005 10:31 PM
maxib
Re: Bubba: Ford GT = POS

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Originally Posted by luvtolean
In the 80's Pontiac put a turbo'd Quad 4 in the Fiero and beat the Vette at every performance measurement you could think of.
Just so noone gets the wrong impression luv , I would like to point out the fact that the '80s Corvette was grossly stifled by the EPA regs forcing the 'vette to have 180hp ('80 305) minimum, 230hp ('80 350) maximum ...all the way to a whopping decrease to 200hp ('82 350) which was the last of the C3 'vettes.

C4 'vettes were 205hp ('84 350) [there was only one '83 'vette made, and it is on display at NCM at Bowling Green] up to 245hp ('89 350) which completes the decade. (375 hp wasn't available with 350ci until the ZR1 in 1990 but it cost $27,016 for that option over the $31,979 base in 1990)

My point...
Those stats are disgustingly anemic. I don't recall the years for Fiero production, but turbocharging a six cylinder Fiero would no doubt wipe ass on a normally aspirated 'vette of the same vintage.

What do you think turbocharging the vette and then comparing? Still not apples to apples due to weight and cylinders, I know. So, how 'bout I counter with the fact that Fieros had engine compartment fires more often than 'vettes did in the '80s?



Now back to our regular program...
05-25-2005 10:23 PM
BDA116
Re: Bubba: Ford GT = POS

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Originally Posted by phobiaphobe
That engine has nothing in common with the SLR engine. the designation "412" meant quad turbo 12 cylinder I believe. The SLR uses a supercharged AMG V8.

edit: I'm not so sure MB pulled the rug out from Chrysler because they felt upstaged... I think there simply wasn't a business case for the car.
Yes, the 412 means quad turbo 12 cylinder. The ME designates mid engine. And yes, the engine was based off the SLR's original engine, sent to and tweaked by AMG. It is MB's crown jewel engine.
The SLR uses the AMG supercharged V8 for much the same reason Ford fell back on the supercharged V8 for the GT.
And yes, the rug was pulled by MB because they were upstaged BIG TIME. MB actually even alluded to the fact when the decision was made, then the brass changed the official story. There WAS and still IS a business case for the car. As previously mentioned, there were more than enough names on the list - some with deposits to sell the entire production line at a huge profit to Chrysler.
That is what you call an excellent, solid business case.
05-25-2005 10:19 PM
evl_twn
Re: Ford GT = POS Disclaimer: must show proof of SAE membership for entry

C6 Z06 > Ford GT
05-25-2005 9:32 PM
luvtolean
Re: Bubba: Ford GT = POS

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Originally Posted by phobiaphobe
edit: I'm not so sure MB pulled the rug out from Chrysler because they felt upstaged... I think there simply wasn't a business case for the car.
I was not involved so I have no idea, but there's no way MB would let their flagship car get demeaned by an "American" one.

In the 80's Pontiac put a turbo'd Quad 4 in the Fiero and beat the Vette at every performance measurement you could think of. GM of course said "no dice", they can't have their flagship getting beat down by an econo-car with a hairdryer.



05-25-2005 9:26 PM
luvtolean
Re: Ford GT = POS Disclaimer: must show proof of SAE membership for entry

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Originally Posted by phobiaphobe
Don't forget the suckers that are paying 150000 over sticker.
Status quo on hot exotics. I've seen a GT2 with a $50k mark up.

Personally, I think you're an idiot to pay that much over sticker for anything.

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Originally Posted by phobiaphobe
Not really.

(In fact, Saleen bid out the principal work to a British firm, RML, which takes full credit on its Web site for designing and developing the S7.)
Read it a little closer. The British firm did the work on Saleen's S7, not the GT.



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