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02-11-2006 11:55 AM
OSIRIS
Re: 360

It does have little rubber feet on the end opposite the HDD so I don't know why you'd need a stand unless there could be a possiblity of it falling over
02-10-2006 10:31 PM
luvtolean
Re: 360

Hmmm....wicked cool heat-pipe/heatsink on what I assume is the processor. Pretty basic though, most notebooks are more complex. The original PS2 had a way more elaborate heat pipe arrangement. (that they were able to do away with as they redesigned it to reduce cost)

If the fans are "pushers", and when you use it on it's side they're on top, it would help to have it vertical. If they're on top, and they're pullers, putting it on it's side could actually for at least some of the components make things worse.

If the fans are on the bottom and they are pullers, again, it will help to run it on edge.

With those caveats, and since any decent thermal management engineer knows this stuff, more than likely you should run it on it's side.

To give you an idea of how important this stuff is...if you can reduce the temperature of an electronic component by just 10ºC, it's reliability doubles. Using a max (junction) temperature of 100ºC, a common number in electronics design, a 10% improvement would be exactly that, a doubling of life.



02-10-2006 8:16 PM
ConqSoft
Re: 360

Here are the innards: http://www.anandtech.com/systems/sho...spx?i=2610&p=4
02-10-2006 8:14 PM
luvtolean
Re: 360

Hmmm...don't have real good data.

It's not clear to me if there is a fan going over the power electronics, or just the processors. I also don't fully understand their thermal management strategy.

So, I can't positively say it will or won't help using it vertical.



02-10-2006 2:56 PM
ConqSoft
Re: 360

I dunno, it may.
02-10-2006 2:53 PM
OSIRIS
Re: 360

It doesn't need a stand does it? I think it has little rubber feet on the end opposite the HDD.
02-10-2006 2:53 PM
luvtolean
Re: 360

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Originally Posted by ConqSoft
So how do we know how it's designed, since it "defaults" to being horizontal?
Uh...let me send out an e-mail. I'll get back to you.



02-10-2006 2:52 PM
ConqSoft
Re: 360

So how do we know how it's designed, since it "defaults" to being horizontal?
02-10-2006 2:50 PM
luvtolean
Re: 360

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Originally Posted by ConqSoft
You mean the vertical stand, right?
Yep. If the power semiconductors are oriented the same way as the case (vertical when the case is vertical) I highly recommend getting the vertical stand.

I've done quite a bit of testing on this at work, and depending on MS's cooling strategy, simply turning the parts from horizontal to vertical can easily see them run 15% cooler (due to natural convection and buoyancy effects).



02-10-2006 2:43 PM
ConqSoft
Re: 360

No, because mine sits horizontal. You mean the vertical stand, right?
02-10-2006 2:41 PM
luvtolean
Re: 360

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Originally Posted by ConqSoft
It does create a lot of heat though, and I can see where people may have issues if they stuff it into a tight entertainment center or such. I have mine positioned where it has plenty of airflow around it, and the "brick" power supply is away from it, behind the rack, also with pleny of room around it. No issues yet.
Did you get a "stand"? My Dad was told that's the hot ticket (pun er...intended. ) for it.



02-10-2006 2:33 PM
OSIRIS
Re: 360

Oh I don't know...I haven't played in a couple days...I'll check tonight
02-10-2006 2:31 PM
ConqSoft
Re: 360

I accepted your request yesterday after I migrated my Live account. Did it not "take"? Send it again if you want.
02-10-2006 2:29 PM
OSIRIS
Re: 360

COD2 is pretty bad ass on the 360. I've been playing a lot of Need For Speed: Most Wanted. I guess the improvement in graphics is mostly in the environment and the other cars riding around. Way more detail than in NFSU2.
I've been trying to get Condemned from a friend of mine and give that a try...looks like a cool premise for a game anyway
Oh, and accept my request, Conq
02-10-2006 12:09 PM
ConqSoft
Re: 360

Finally got mine yesterday. Love the speed. Love the new interface. Love the wireless. Love the graphics quality ( ). I only have CoD2 so far. Played the Quake 4 demo, but wasn't impressed. I think I'll pass. Tony Hawk will probably be my next 360 title.

It does create a lot of heat though, and I can see where people may have issues if they stuff it into a tight entertainment center or such. I have mine positioned where it has plenty of airflow around it, and the "brick" power supply is away from it, behind the rack, also with pleny of room around it. No issues yet.

Atari Arcade, Super Monkey Ball, and the Grand Theft Auto Series backwards-compatibility seems to be flawless. Forza Motorsports was glitchy all over though, so it's up for sale here in the For Sale Forum. (Along with World Series of Poker with doesn't work at all on the 360, and the first two GTA's, since I don't play those anymore.)
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