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09-15-2003 7:55 PM
Zeeman
Re: '04 U.S. Model Preview

So much for the 1000RR being smaller than the 600. I was actually looking forward to that, not so concerned about the numbers, just so long as it's the best handling and braking. 165 HP is plenty. As for weight, a good Arata or Hindle will bring that down plenty

Z...
09-14-2003 4:00 PM
trey
Re: '04 U.S. Model Preview

I don't even think the busa is rated at 180..
09-14-2003 3:51 PM
deez
Re: '04 U.S. Model Preview

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Power : i just crashed my 954 and i think the insurance will total it out..i was waiting for the new FIREBLADE, i don't like the 2 colors, i do love the all black one...my new bike will either be the new all black cbr1000, or the all new Yamaha R1,,,,not really sure yet....but with 180hp @12500rpm...is kinda hard to resist.....
180HP Please wake up.
09-14-2003 3:28 PM
Power
Re: '04 U.S. Model Preview

i just crashed my 954 and i think the insurance will total it out..i was waiting for the new FIREBLADE, i don't like the 2 colors, i do love the all black one...my new bike will either be the new all black cbr1000, or the all new Yamaha R1,,,,not really sure yet....but with 180hp @12500rpm...is kinda hard to resist.....
09-12-2003 3:44 PM
Red Rider
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Purpdust : Not sure if this has been covered but where do you attache the frame slider with out cutting to the new blade??
Whoa..that would suck having to cut the fairing for a slider. Major faux pas if you ask me.

Just another reason why I guess I'll keep my 929...sigh.
09-12-2003 2:06 PM
tigerblade
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Purpdust : Not sure if this has been covered but where do you attache the frame slider with out cutting to the new blade??
Does look like you'd have to cut a hole. Also have to on the RC51 and had to on the 900RR, but you'd think the manufacturers might consider that since a lot of people use them now.
09-12-2003 1:58 PM
Purpdust
Re: '04 U.S. Model Preview

Not sure if this has been covered but where do you attache the frame slider with out cutting to the new blade??
09-12-2003 12:15 PM
Stoater
Re: '04 U.S. Model Preview

My first impressions of the new blade is that its pretty much what i expected based on all the rumours.
I like the under seat exhausts, expected the radial brakes, usual honda styling and colour schemes.
Dont like the increase in weight,expected more power and think the the electronic steering damper is a gimmick and is just something else to go wrong.

As far as power is concerned, the more power the better and just because you've got it ,it doesnt mean you have to use it.
If you havent got it you cant use it!
I bought the 954 expecting great handling, but on our bumpy UK backroads its just plain scary (even with a steering damper!), and you cant put the power down the way you can on the Suzuki.
If Honda have addressed this problem, along with the fueling glitches it could be a great bike - but I just get the feeling that they have done just enough to keep it in contention in litre class, when they could have stole the show.
Would I sell my 954 and pay another $3000 for another 10-15 horsepower - I doubt it.
But for another 30hp I might have to look at the R1!
Obviously most of this is conjecture, but the first back to back tests of the new 1000's is going to be compulsive reading!!!!



09-12-2003 12:11 PM
ConqSoft
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Purpdust : I did not notice a shift light? THe R1 and GSXR has one why not on the honda or did I miss it?
Yeah, it has one according to the specs.
09-12-2003 12:10 PM
Purpdust
Re: '04 U.S. Model Preview

I did not notice a shift light? THe R1 and GSXR has one why not on the honda or did I miss it?
09-12-2003 1:38 AM
fl-929
Re: '04 U.S. Model Preview

Where are the UK magazines getting their numbers?

Ex. superbike.co.uk/news

But while the styling and equipment for the new bike both look superlative, the new 998cc Fireblade is both heavier and less powerful than Yamaha's new R1. In fact the new CBR has gone up in weight, to 178kg from last year's 168kg. And while the all-new fuel-injected engine is pumping out an impressive claimed 165bhp, that's seven horsepower down on the R1, and 15 ponies down on the Yamaha's ram-air assisted claimed figure.
09-11-2003 5:57 PM
coeff
Re: '04 U.S. Model Preview

Personally, I like it.
I like the appearance and it specs out ok.

Realistically, I'd buy the 600 and continue to run my 929 on the street on the rare occasions I actually do ride.




Although, the Yamahaw is a nice looking beasty too, but, I find it interesting that they changed the vacuum slides to secondary butterflys.
09-11-2003 5:46 PM
Red Rider
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CBRVFR : 'So why do you think they went with a smaller front disk 310 vs the 330s like what are on the 54?'
To quote the Honda link:

'Although the Fireblade has traditionally used axial-mounted four-piston callipers, the new Firebladeís new front brake system now features a set of Tokiko radial-mount callipers. These new callipers feature distinctive turret-like mounts that seem to jut directly outward from the front axle, onto which the callipers bolt straight down. The new callipers are held together by three lateral bolts for a more rigid design that provides both stronger grip and more even pressure distribution across the entire surface area of the pads for highly efficient braking with excellent feel at the lever.

The calliperís pistons feature an optimised surface plating preparation to ensure that they slide easily, providing smoother operation coupled with greater resistance to corrosion, for more confidently responsive performance over the long haul. Their improved performance permits smaller rotors to be used, which have been reduced in diameter from 330 to 310mm while still realising improvements in both braking ratio and performance, not to mention providing a small but important contribution to the Firebladeís lighter and more responsive handling. Along with these new radial mount front brake callipers, the new front brake system features a newly developed vertical piston master cylinder which offers high braking efficiency with excellent feel and controllability.'
09-11-2003 5:43 PM
ccwilli3
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CBRVFR : Prolly because they don't need the negative effects of the extra rotating mass with the additional power of the radial mounts
Yes,

The added power gained from the radial mount (flexes less, etc) means they can get away with a smaller rotor and acheive the same amount of braking performance. This in turn lowers the rotating mass and its also closer to the center, which helps in its own way...

Keep in mind though, the 310mm is still bigger than most...
09-11-2003 5:38 PM
Smitty
Re: '04 U.S. Model Preview

Glad that I will still be hanging on to my '00 929. To bad, but they obviously do not want to sell the Fazer 600 with a price like that AND I read that Yamaha are offering an FZ6 with a 1/4 or 1/2 fairing though have not checked the price.

Obviously Yamaha went close to all out, but not so with Honda.

As for black finishes I have an all black on a '97 Yamaha YZR-600r & the Black/Silver of the 929 & like both. Who gives a darn about scratches from polishing other then those that are posers or next thing to it? I am not spending days polishing the wheels to Lord knows what, for my way of m/cing (since I can no longer compete in competitions) is RIDING & the bikes put on a lot of hrs & milage during decent riding weather from sometime in March till sometime in early November & basically 5 days of the week.
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