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10-28-2003 9:37 PM
Supperconductor
Re: Any Tube (Audio) Lovers Here?

I wanna hear one of these in action.
10-28-2003 7:49 PM
BillAce
Re: Any Tube (Audio) Lovers Here?

Here's as close as you'll get to vinyl in the digital domain.

http://www.audaud.com/audaud/APR03/E...uip1APR03.html

someone buy it and let me know how it sounds.

Bill
10-28-2003 4:00 PM
BillAce
Re: Any Tube (Audio) Lovers Here?

I agree, whether digital or analog, the monkey at the console WILL screw up the recording. The one thing I notice every time is that midbass is so overdone because that is the lowest most systems they target can play. I have free air subs in my car crossed over @ 25Hz and I hardly ever get to use them. If only half these kids knew what sub bass was.
10-28-2003 3:48 PM
CBRVFR
Re: Any Tube (Audio) Lovers Here?

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abtech : Quote (CBRVFR @ Oct. 27 2003, 8:15pm)interesting discussion --It begs the question 'what music are you listening to ?' Since the majority of popular music is played, equalized, processed, compressed, effected, *recorded, mixed and mastered using digital equipment, I've wondered how much difference it would make to playback using analog ?

Not to mention a lot of the vinyl wasn't mass produced in a particularly careful manner.
Not the majority by any stretch of the imagination. *Check the symbols, a lot of music is still AAD (analog cut/analog mixed and digitally mastered).

The better labels all used excellent vinyl.
Abtech, I agree with your point as it refers to audiophile recordings and music which is primarily produced on acoustic instruments. I haven't really looked at the AAD label, and now I will.

Let me emphasize and clarify my use of the word 'popular'.. The that sells. Consider the sheer number (by sales) of records which rely on sampling, loops, digital drums, synthesizers, digital guitar amps and digital reverb-delay flanging etc etc. ( especially that overblown bass mix......) It doesn't really matter if they're recorded analogically or not, the source isn't high fidelity in those cases, IMO.

But that's just me. I'm old and opinionated.



10-28-2003 2:42 PM
luvtolean
Re: Any Tube (Audio) Lovers Here?

Abtech, you don't have to convince me, I am now well and truly convinced. Unfortunately, many of the places i'll be auditioning speakers and the like simply do not have turntables. I need a reference CD to check them out...this will fit the bill, and it was easy to get!

As soon as I get a turntable, I'll start a thread where all us analog geeks can share our favorite vinyl stuff too.



10-28-2003 2:35 PM
abtech
Re: Any Tube (Audio) Lovers Here?

If you want to get your socks knocked off, find an unplayed copy of 'I've got the music in me' on Sheffield which is a DTD analog live album by Thelma Houston/Pressure Cooker. *They had 6 cutting lathes running concurrently, so they were able to create several first gen masters. *After listening to this back to back with the CD version, there is NO CONTEST. *Something about the transient response getting smacked with the stupid bandpass filter required to accommodate the stinking 44 KHz sampling rate. *

BTW, I would wager that a fresh copy of the above mentioned album exceeds the dynamic range of any currently available CD regardless of manufacturer.

Just a note:

If an instrument has a fundemental frequency of say 3 to 5 KHz, then a minimum bandwidth of 50 KHz is required to reproduce (or record) the impact transient (I won't even go into instruments that have fundamentals in the 15 to 20 KHz range like cymbals, synthesizers etc.). *Even though the majority of analog equipment certainly isn't flat to these frequencies, they aren't being filtered at 48 db per octave above 19.2 KHz (like 99% of digital is). *There is so much harmonic content that never get's past the A/D converter that I refuse to listen to this crap.



10-28-2003 1:10 PM
luvtolean
Re: Any Tube (Audio) Lovers Here?

Ordered!



10-28-2003 1:02 PM
BillAce
Re: Any Tube (Audio) Lovers Here?

I bought mine from them as well. It gives listening cues prior to the tracks and has a great variety of styles and recordings. I found out James Taylor has a brother that sounds just like him on that disk. I recommend it to evaluate any gear/system.

Bill
10-28-2003 12:48 PM
luvtolean
Re: Any Tube (Audio) Lovers Here?

Nope don't have that. *Looks good though. *Any place in particular you recommend buying it?

http://www.chesky.com/catalog....egory=1







10-28-2003 12:22 PM
BillAce
Re: Any Tube (Audio) Lovers Here?

LTL, Do you have the Chesky Ultimate Demonstration Disk? It is a must and is great for audiotioning equipment.
10-28-2003 11:51 AM
ccwilli3
Re: Any Tube (Audio) Lovers Here?

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luvtolean : Compare this to their new St Anger which I won't even buy because the recording is so *
I was listening to this at home too, glad to see I'm not the only one that thought the recording was a miss...
10-28-2003 11:48 AM
luvtolean
Re: Any Tube (Audio) Lovers Here?

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BillAce : I think that Digital recording has lost a great deal of quality over the past decade. *
Absolutely. *An example I was thinking of last night, Metallica. *And Justice for All is an ADD recording, and it is noticably better than anything else they've done. *Compare this to their new St Anger which I won't even buy because the recording is so *

Telarc does some great work. *Their Overature of 1812 CD is one of the ones I've used when tuning in my car systems.

Some Vinyl is being re-released in thick (180 gm+) pressings, I really couldn't believe how good it can sound. *I've listened to Ella Fitzgerald on CD plenty of times but I've never really gotten too excited by her. *Play it on vinyl, through tubes, and you really have some amazing music to listen to.

Another reason I want to get a good turntable is the simple fact that some of the punk I like, not to mention classical stuff, is only available on vinyl.

I listen to everything. *Classical, to Jazz to metal. *

Zee, I'm not a rich man, but some people spend their $ on TV's, I prefer music. *I'd rather have a McIntosh amp than a plasma TV. *The Bay Area also has a lot of people with a lot of money, and I shouldn't have too much trouble finding nice used stuff as people upgrade. *Which is my intention for at least the amps.







10-28-2003 10:52 AM
BillAce
Re: Any Tube (Audio) Lovers Here?

I think that Digital recording has lost a great deal of quality over the past decade. Car systems have been used to help master many Popular recordings since the listener is most likely to hear the track in the car. Most music buyers don't listen to music much at home anymore. OEM systems all now have DSP processing and compression and this creates a deteriorating circle. If you want to hear excellent CD recordings, look into Telarc, Sheffield Labs or Mapleshade Studios. There are digital studios that capture all of of the detail and resolution of the original performance but put it on a medium with a much higher S/N level. They just aren't carried at your local record store.
10-28-2003 8:55 AM
abtech
Re: Any Tube (Audio) Lovers Here?

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CBRVFR : interesting discussion --It begs the question 'what music are you listening to ?' Since the majority of popular music is played, equalized, processed, compressed, effected, *recorded, mixed and mastered using digital equipment, I've wondered how much difference it would make to playback using analog ?

Not to mention a lot of the vinyl wasn't mass produced in a particularly careful manner.
Not the majority by any stretch of the imagination. Check the symbols, a lot of music is still AAD (analog cut/analog mixed and digitally mastered).

The better labels all used excellent vinyl.
10-28-2003 3:48 AM
Supperconductor
Re: Any Tube (Audio) Lovers Here?

Wow, didn't realize there were music lovers on this forum. I'm sold on tubes as well. I've heard solid state that sounds as good as tubes (the best solid state and tube equipment really converge at the high end in terms of sonic character IMHO) but gonna stick with my current set up for the near future:

Sony SCD-1

Audio Research LS-25

Quicksilver Audio V-4

I have the earlier model Magnepan 3.5/R - current production model

Wired with Kimber Select internconnects and speaker cables.

Plugged into a Chang Lightspeed power conditioner.
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