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11-26-2003 10:37 AM
tigerblade
Re: Dan Kyle work question

I met Max at Barber this year. He's a nice guy in person and can be pretty funny on the WERA boards at times. I just don't have confidence in his knowledge or business practices...
11-26-2003 10:28 AM
ccwilli3
Re: Dan Kyle work question

I've had traxxion forks and dk forks. Both were awesome IMO.

Having said that, Dan is MUCH more pleasureable to work with. The guy is super nice, met him at rogue VIR last year. Super duper support after the sale too. And as stated above, he is more of a honda guy, whereas most racers race zooks, so thats what max knows...

Dan seems to do things out of wanting to help, max seems to do them out of seeing what it can do for him...
11-26-2003 10:21 AM
tigerblade
Re: Dan Kyle work question

Quote:
Originally posted by sl954
I haven't had him work on my bike but he has been very helpful
on the phone.

Steve
I wouldn't make a habit of it, but I even called him on a Saturday from the racetrack this year!
11-26-2003 8:41 AM
sl954
Re: Dan Kyle work question

I haven't had him work on my bike but he has been very helpful
on the phone.

Steve
11-25-2003 11:16 PM
lateapex
Re: Dan Kyle work question

BTW, if someone wants my DK forks w/springs (185lb rider) and is local here in Ohio we can work a deal before my bike is sold. Don't want to do the long distance thing with the forks.
11-25-2003 6:19 PM
luvtolean
Re: Dan Kyle work question

Dan will sell you Ohlins valves if you insist. But he'll try to talk you out of them first.



11-25-2003 6:17 PM
deez
Re: Dan Kyle work question

Like others have said, Dan is not going to sell you valves or anything else if it is not going to make an improvement. He knows you are wasting $ and he'd rather you use that on another product he sells to increase the motorcycle's performance On the RC's if you are over 185-190, his fork job retains the stock springs. The showa forks are excellent on the RC and the 929/954, they just aren't sprung for our weights.
11-25-2003 6:10 PM
luvtolean
Re: Dan Kyle work question

Why'd I know you were going to bring those up.

Actually at Nankai in Japan you could buy some of the "trick" Showa bits.



11-25-2003 6:07 PM
abtech
Re: Dan Kyle work question

Having had the good fortune to work on a couple of HRC spec Showa forks, I can tell you that they can be every bit as good as Ohlins, in fact better in some respects. The interesting thing is that the valves are very similar to the ones found in the 929/954 and RC51. They have the ti-nitride surfacing and the seals are "looser", but other than being well setup and blueprinted, they aren't really that much different than the production items.

As an aside, Max told me that the 929 forks were the finest production inverted forks he had ever seen. Two weeks later he told me they were a total POS and should be replaced before attempting to ride the bike on the track. Interesting stuff . . .
11-25-2003 5:56 PM
luvtolean
Re: Dan Kyle work question

I've read a bit and it is my opinion Max is Physics-ally challenged. (some of the old threads had some of my specific reasons) The valves aren't the problem...fyi, Honda's look remarkably similar to Ohlins. I'm sure you could get serious in your racing and move beyond Ohlins too though...



11-25-2003 5:52 PM
02FBlade
Re: Dan Kyle work question

I've meet Max and seen the shop. From talking with him and DK....Max is more of zuk man and DK is the Honda man. Max didn't know to much about the (new at the time) 954 forks other than that they have more stiction than most and are way undersprung. I won't disagree, mine use to stick bad (like 10mm!)

I ant even going to start on the hole size....I've read all the posts and heard it directly from both Max and DK. ...I don't have the knowledge to agrue effectively!
11-25-2003 5:46 PM
tigerblade
Re: Dan Kyle work question

Another good example is Max blaming a guy's suspension problems on the Moriwaki link that Dan sells. Problem was the guy wasn't running the Mori link at the time...
11-25-2003 5:37 PM
abtech
Re: Dan Kyle work question

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Originally posted by gerry
So many conflicting reports on this subject. The WERA msg boards have had some very heated debates, even between max of traxxion and dan kyle themselves.

Some swear by traxxion others hate them. I'll probbaly go with kyle. He has a good rep with fireblades and offers a good price.
Many members here have had a good laugh at the threads on WERA, especially when Max admits he is usually drunk when he posts some of his "scathing" remarks. My experience with Traxxion has been all bad, and very inconsistent (told the complete opposite answer to the same question every other call).

Max has thrown rocks at everyone and now some of them are coming back to smack him, especially with regards to Ohlins . . .

and just to clarify a point, the Axxion valves are not made by Traxxion, Max or Penske or anyone else who is involved with the suspension business. They are made in a little hole in the wall machine shop in Holland, Michigan.
11-25-2003 5:13 PM
gerry
Re: Dan Kyle work question

Quote:
Originally posted by abtech
If you were to walk through the shop that makes the Axxion valves, you wouldn't even think about using them. They are CNC cut and then finished by a gentleman known to everyone around here as "$hithook". They really offer no advantage over the Showa valves and in fact aren't made correctly to accommodate a regulated flow (the holes are too big, and the flow is determined almost entirely by the shim stack).

All you get is an asspacking from Traxxion for 650.00 . . .
So many conflicting reports on this subject. The WERA msg boards have had some very heated debates, even between max of traxxion and dan kyle themselves.

Some swear by traxxion others hate them. I'll probbaly go with kyle. He has a good rep with fireblades and offers a good price.
11-25-2003 5:05 PM
abtech
Re: Dan Kyle work question

Quote:
Originally posted by 02FBlade
I'm happy with my fork job from DK but wonder if I missed out not getting new valves. I know a traxxion fork job will run about 650$ but you will get all new valves instead of reworked valves/shimms. I suggest DK fork work and trash the stock springs...they are useless no matter what wieght you are. Use it for a year and if you get serious about racing then maybe spring for real valves if you feel you need more adjustment.
If you were to walk through the shop that makes the Axxion valves, you wouldn't even think about using them. They are CNC cut and then finished by a gentleman known to everyone around here as "$hithook". They really offer no advantage over the Showa valves and in fact aren't made correctly to accommodate a regulated flow (the holes are too big, and the flow is determined almost entirely by the shim stack).

All you get is an asspacking from Traxxion for 650.00 . . .
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