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False Neutral in Higher Gears?

Anyone ever have a false neutral in the higher gears? I, like most people I'm sure, have slipped into neutral on my way to second before, but today was the first time the bike didn't engage into the gear going from 4 to 5! Any wrench-head have thoughts on this?

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Don't baby the shifter, put your foot into it.
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undercut, as the dogs are getting rounded . . .

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undercut, as the dogs are getting rounded . . .
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Re: False Neutral in Higher Gears?

I've encountered a "false neutral" between 4th and 5th or 5th and 6th perhaps a half dozen times, but not at all in the last year or so. Two things I did to resolve the issue: 1) shift with a firm pull up on the lever, and 2) change to a high quality synthetic motor oil, i.e. Motul 300V or Amsoil. This helps make the transmission shift like buttah.

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Anyone ever have a false neutral in the higher gears? I, like most people I'm sure, have slipped into neutral on my way to second before, but today was the first time the bike didn't engage into the gear going from 4 to 5! Any wrench-head have thoughts on this?

Same thing happened to me today shifting from 5th to 6th, then made a loud noise when it finally engaged 6th
Other than that, is running ok
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Re: False Neutral in Higher Gears?

Thanks all. It's the wifey's motorcycle so I'm just making sure it's all okay.

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Re: False Neutral in Higher Gears?

My 954 requires a firm upshift in the higher gears. I never got a neutral but I can feel the dogs catch and pull it the rest of the way in kinda like it shifted halfway but it doesn't slip out.

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Re: False Neutral in Higher Gears?

There is no "false neutral", rather the shift gogs on the gears never lock up until you try again and get them to lock. I have mentioned this before, but the trans on the Blade isn't undercut enough to handle the torque at high rpm. After one season, I dissasembled my gearbox and found all of the shift dogs slightly rounded. After a bit of nvestigation, I found that they pretty much come that way from the factory (got a chance to look at some brand new ones on an engine that was being built). I had a rather severe undercut done on the dogs and it resolved all of the shifting issues I had in the first season.

Most streetbike manufacturers (with the exception of Suzuki) shy away from a real "race undercut" on the dogs because it make the trans noisy during shifts and that always draws negative comments from the magazine reviewers. You should take a look at the shift dogs on a TZ250 if you want to know what a real undercut looks like.

Everything besides undercutting the gears is really just a bandaid if you are going to run the bike hard.

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