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Dodge 4x4 AT full service.

Man what a mess
I dropped the Trans oil pan and replaced the ATF, Gasket and filter. The service kit came with a cork gasket which was folded. When I slid it on, it got pinched. So the last two quarts ran out of the pan . Fortunately I had put a drain plug in when I dropped the pan. Had to go get another gasket. This one was rubber and made in Vietnam The holes where slightly smaller than the bolts which made keeping the gasket in place much easier. I dont think I will go cork again...

Then I started up the truck, put it in neutral and ran the rest of the old ATF out the radiator lines while adding new ATF+3 to the filler hole. saved about $50 on a flush by the shop. Chrysler has recently changed its recomendation for ATF. This will be the second change in recomended ATF. I put ATF+3 in and they are now recomending ATF+4. Nobody had ATF+4.
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Re: Dodge 4x4 AT full service.

Its better to do it yourself even though its a huge mess. Do it on the street instead of your driveway . But the "flush" that the service stations do is not as good as doing it yourself since they don't change the filter or clean the bottom of the pan which usually has a little magnet that collects tiny metalshavings from the tranny.

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Its better to do it yourself even though its a huge mess. Do it on the street instead of your driveway . But the "flush" that the service stations do is not as good as doing it yourself since they don't change the filter or clean the bottom of the pan which usually has a little magnet that collects tiny metalshavings from the tranny.
That's not necessarily true. When we did a flush it was a very serious deal, and there is no way you can do it right like figment did it. Better than nothing, but it's not "flushed".

Figment, did you drain the converter?



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Figment, did you drain the converter?
yes. How I did my ATF flush

The magnet really was the big surprize It was sitting on a little divet in the pan. I saw this little dougnut shaped object and thought . When I was looking for a place to drill for my drain, I moved it and then realized it was a magnet for catching metal Then I cleaned it off and put it back next to my new drain plug.
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That's not necessarily true. When we did a flush it was a very serious deal, and there is no way you can do it right like figment did it. Better than nothing, but it's not "flushed".

Figment, did you drain the converter?


Whats not true ?? Service stations such as Jiffy Lube, Mobil etc. offer flushes but they do not drop the pan. Therefore they never clean the shaving off the magnet and do not change the filter. Whether they take it seriously or not in my opinion its a half ass job. When you want a job done right sometimes have to do it yourself.

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Whats not true ?? Service stations such as Jiffy Lube, Mobil etc. offer flushes but they do not drop the pan. Therefore they never clean the shaving off the magnet and do not change the filter. Whether they take it seriously or not in my opinion its a half ass job. When you want a job done right sometimes have to do it yourself.
I guess it's a terminology thing, but I don't consider Jiffy Lube a "service station" Other than maybe servicing your wallet. I have no idea how they'd do an slushbox service as I wouldn't go there either.

The shop I worked at did this better than I could do myself at home. It goes without saying you drop the pan and drain the converter. We then hooked up a machine that flushed/filtered the fluid in the cooling lines and cooler. I seriously doubt the driveway guy is going to rig up a pump and filters for the flush. But maybe I'm wrong...



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I seriously doubt the driveway guy is going to rig up a pump and filters for the flush. But maybe I'm wrong...
If you understand the schematic of a transmission, you know the pump is in the oil sump and the TC is ahead of that. So the way I did the flush replaces the entire fluid system without starving the oil pump or mixing any fluid. I dont need a filter in the "flush system" because I put a new one in the tranny and was not putting old oil back in the system. I can see why a big shop would use one though because they probably have to switch vats and supplies are in much different environments. I'm pretty sure what I did was superior to most shops

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If you understand the schematic of a transmission, you know the pump is in the oil sump and the TC is ahead of that. So the way I did the flush replaces the entire fluid system without starving the oil pump or mixing any fluid. I dont need a filter in the flush system because I put a new one in th tranny and was not putting old oil back in the system. I can see why a big shop would use one though because they probably have to switch vats and supplies are in much different environments. I'm pretty sure what I did was superior to most shops
I can't see it as you have to be a member.

Edit: But what you did would be superior to at least some I'm sure. Especially if the Jimmy Lubers don't even drop the pan.




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I can't see it as you have to be a member.

Edit: But what you did would be superior to at least some I'm sure. Especially if the Jimmy Lubers don't even drop the pan.
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You need: 2 people (a buddy needed for about 10 minutes just to start and stop engine), level parking surface, bucket, >12qt ATF+3, hose.
ATF service kit ~$7 from parts supply. Get the rubber gasket. Its easier to install.

1 Set parking brake. Drop trans pan and replace filter.
1a. If not done, install drain plug. (I used the magnet divet as my drill location.)

2 Clean magnet and pan and put new gasket on pan. Replace pan.

3 Replace the same amount of fluid that was drained out with NEW fluid. Should be about ~5 quarts

4 Remove a line from the tranny to the radiator and use two hoses to divert the now open line ends to a >10qt collection bucket. Dont let lines get submerged.

5 Have about 6 quarts of fluid open and gathered withing reach of your funnel. Empty bucket of old fluid in preparation to collect the remaining fluid in the transmission.

6 with the bucket back in place, get ready to start adding fluid. Make your position so that you can see the old fluid comming into the bucket. Have your buddy start the engine, shift into neutral (wont pump in park) and begin replacing fluid. Do not let the fluid filling the funnel, or the fluid comming out of the radiator line stop, (If you do, yell to have the engine stopped). When all the old fluid has run through the system (about 5qts), the color and consistency will change. The fluid comming out will be a little more foamy and brighter in color. Stop engine as soon as you see this. The system has been purged of old fluid.

7 Replace lines to radiator.

8 Check the fluid level and add until correct. Start engine and shift between forward and reverse, check in neutral as per owners manual to see if more is needed.
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Especially if the Jimmy Lubers don't even drop the pan.
my first service was done by Jiffy Lube. @ 30K. They dropped the pan cause I saw them replace the gasket
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my first service was done by Jiffy Lube. @ 30K. They dropped the pan cause I saw them replace the gasket
Yeah, I'd be real surprised if they didn't, but I wouldn't put it past those guys. We used to get LOTS of T5's in with shiftforks laying in the bottom of the case after they removed the Torx bolt that held them thinking that was where the fluid fill was.

Your way sounds pretty dang good. Like you said though, very messy, especially on your back. I take it you had one of the huge funnels for your drain pan?



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Your way sounds pretty dang good. Like you said though, very messy, especially on your back. I take it you had one of the huge funnels for your drain pan?
I used a cement mixing bin from Home Depot to catch the fluid. Was the PERFECT size and depth. ~$5. It was only messy cause I did not use (or know about) gasket cement on the cork gasket and a corner got pinched on the first try at refilling the sump. Now I have a drain plug and its got a valve in it so next time I do the service I wont spill a drop
I change the fluid and coolant every year, motor severe service...

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