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Aren't these a bit over the top?!

"or go to court, where he may be ordered to pay at least $750 per song."

"The judge ordered the woman to pay $22,500 for the downloading of 30 songs."

WTF is with that ****??!! Greedy bastards. Sure, the rich phucks lost a bit in royalties, but how about a bit of a less severe punishment for the first timers?
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Canadian supreme court has ruled that downloading music is not theft. I'm safe.

And then there's this asshole...
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Canadian supreme court has ruled that downloading music is not theft. I'm safe.
thank jesus...

i'm not sure about the legality of downloading movies, but luckily i just buy all my movies
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Canadian supreme court has ruled that downloading music is not theft. I'm safe.
So I'm safe if I pay a Canadian to download for me?

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So I'm safe if I pay a Canadian to download for me?
You mean "So I'm safe if I pay a Canadian to download for me, eh?"

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You mean "So I'm safe if I pay a Canadian to download for me, eh?"

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My god, is there anybody the RIAA will not sue? The software producers, the people who download.....IP theft sucks and is wrong, but what other industry can charge $16.00 and up for a product that costs $0.65 to make? Just for that, I think I'm gonna start limewire.
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My god, is there anybody the RIAA will not sue? The software producers, the people who download.....IP theft sucks and is wrong, but what other industry can charge $16.00 and up for a product that costs $0.65 to make? Just for that, I think I'm gonna start limewire.
well with studio time, paychecks to artists, advertising, redcord label employees, its not $.65 to make
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My god, is there anybody the RIAA will not sue? The software producers, the people who download.....IP theft sucks and is wrong, but what other industry can charge $16.00 and up for a product that costs $0.65 to make? Just for that, I think I'm gonna start limewire.
Um, and your point is? If you don't like the price, nobody's forcing you to buy the product. I create intellectual property for a living - I'm a software developer. I sure as hell wouldn't appreciate my clients not paying for my work. Now during the dot com boom I charged market which went as high as $250/hour and you could've argued it "hardly cost anything" for me to produce my code but I never forced anyone to buy my product.

I think it sucks that these people are being sued but I've never stolen music so I don't worry about it. Yeah and I think music prices are too high, so that's why I buy my CD's on sale - and I almost never pay over $10 for a CD.

Sorry, I don't mean to preach but I was born in a third world country (India) - and I don't want to see the USA get into the mentality that because its easy to steal its ok to do so. A great big chunk of our economy and standard of living is based on intellectual property - Music, Movies, Software, etc. You're not going to wind up in the poor house if you pay for it legitimately and it keeps our economy going.

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The bigger issue: Parents being forced to take responsability for their kids actions. For that I say about time!
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The bigger issue: Parents being forced to take responsability for their kids actions. For that I say about time!
I totaly agree. but what about if a kid kills another kid, should the parents have to sit time with the kid?
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I totaly agree. but what about if a kid kills another kid, should the parents have to sit time with the kid?
Absolutly. Unless you want to change the laws that prevent children from being tried as adults, and stops the parents from being legal guardians/custodians untill age 18. You used the confused smiley...are you suggesting that if an 8 year old kills someone it is neither them nor their parents are responsable or should be held acountable?
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Absolutly. Unless you want to change the laws that prevent children from being tried as adults, and stops the parents from being legal guardians/custodians untill age 18. You used the confused smiley...are you suggesting that if an 8 year old kills someone it is neither them nor their parents are responsable or should be held acountable?
Whoa whoa whoa... Slow down there for a second G. I'll let you have that one if as parents we can have back the right to properly discipline our children, which means the occasional ass whipping in or out of public, without the fear of having some self righteous public servant deem us unfit parents. You can't have this both ways. We either get back the right to discipline our children to our satisfaction, and I don't mean torturing them, or you put up with the situation we have today. What is it going to be, you either let me be a parent, or don't bitch when kids act up and no one can discipline them. Time out isn't the answer. Trust me.

There's a big difference between the downloading story, and our talk of murder. One, the parent has and can maintain control over the situation. I have a 17yo in the house, and he, just like all the other children do not go on the net unsupervised and without blocking in place. Now if he gets in his truck and decides to wipe out a pedestrian, not anything I can control. Sure, parents need to take responsibility, but lets keep it where it belongs. You cannot be standing over your kids 100% of the time. That's what growing up is all about. They get older and gain more freedom. I'll lend you some kids for a few weeks and you will get a better picture of what I am talking about.
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Fig- I'm with you on the discipline thing. And I understand your take on the vehicular manslaughter scenario.

The difference being, and don't confuse them, is it is legal for your kid to drive (I hope). The state has decided your child meets the minimum requirements for licensing, and so he has the RESPONSIBILITY to do so legally. Also, you supervise your children and/or block their internet access. I think if the people who claim ignorance had done what you've done, they wouldn't be where they are. Is it the parents RESPONSIBILITY? Yes, it is.

If a parent (in CA, so forgive me) leaves his/her weapon loaded and the child gains access and shoots themselves or someone else, guess who's also getting prosecuted? The parent, and rightfully so. Now if the weapon is not openly accessible, and not loaded, and the child loads and shoots himself or others, well, that could be argued as theft, and the parent would not be legally RESPONSIBLE. (But would still be negligent in my opinion)

Yep, what I'm saying is if you have children, you should be RESPONSIBLE for their actions (as the law, including civil law, states here in CA). And trust me, if they screw up, it's a reflection of you as a parent 9 times out of 10. If you don't want to be RESPONSIBLE for your children, don't have them.

Where does RESPONSIBILITY lye. Judge for yourself.

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