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post #1 of 18 Old 10-15-2005, 12:40 PM Thread Starter
 
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US road cyclists - advice please

I've pretty well much decided to buy myself a new road frame. Absolute, total over the top indulgence but I don't care. I might be a short, fat, middle aged git but I want a nice bike

Anyhow, I've looked at the usual suspects and my list is down to Time VXR (or VXRS) , LOOK 585 (in white) or Colnago C50. But at a cycle show on Thursday I was looking at a PARLEE, and I was smitten. Really plain, simple and beautiful. I'd probably go for the Z3.

www.parleecycles.com

Any of you guys no much about them?

I was talking to the rep on the satnd, a young American fellow, and he pretty well convinced me it was the best thing since sliced bread. How would you rate them against the top end frame builders? Independent, Serotta and so on?

BTW I'm only looking at carbon frames. Just don't fancy an alum or Ti frame. (in fact I looked closely at the Litespeeds and was distictly underwhelmed), the Moots and Seven do look very special though, just not for me.

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Re: US road cyclists - advice please

Here is your carbon frame. This is the undisputed expert of carbon in the bicycle world:

http://www.calfeedesign.com/

Lemond Carbon frames were all Calfee's and many other manufacturers bought them and just stuck their own stickers on them. Ala Caloi stickers with Lightspeed bikes for the old USPS team.

If I were to choose a new frame, I'd go with the Cannondale Six13. Something about a frame so light that it's illegal to race in Europe that wets my appetite. May not be the prettiest but I'd ride a pile of **** if it was the fastest, stiffest and lightest bike out there.

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I find they're all outstandingly overpriced. Unless you "need" custom I would never go custom. As long as you can deal with the time lag from popular/coveted builders/small companies for initial delivery and for service if there's a problem (and there's more likely to be a problem) then it's passable.

Back when I used to frequent some cycling forums Parlee was held in pretty high regard, but I think they're all unnecessarily expensive and don't give anything back approaching the value unless it tickles you that much to see it in the garage.

Re- Lemond frames being Calfee, AFAIR, this is not phrased right. Lemond raced on CarbonFrames (brand name) when it was the Team Z days. CarbonFrames in one way or another turned into Calfee following that. I'd check the history on that. The Lemond brand, a totally different bike, I believe, was ultimately acquired by Trek and is/was equivalent just with different stickers.

Outside of failures in functionality or basic engineering, the only thing compelling one manufacturer can offer me over another is aerodynamics. Having a couple LotusSport 110's in the garage I'm a bit spoiled in that department. Nobody really puts any effort into that for general purpose road frames, so I consider them all about equal as far as utility is concerned with vastly different values. Light weight is over rated, stiffness on any of these should be more than significant, and speed is all about your legs. Durability and warranty rates high in my book too.

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Re: US road cyclists - advice please

Wow! Those Calfees are definitely works of art. Shrub, with a 2.5 lb frame, what would the finished bike weigh, with upper end components? Wish I was rich...

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Wow! Those Calfees are definitely works of art. Shrub, with a 2.5 lb frame, what would the finished bike weigh, with upper end components? Wish I was rich...
Bacchus, the Parlees at the show were around the 14.5lb mark. Carbon wheels made by Lightweight (brand - might be German), carbon bars and Campagnlo Record group apart from Stronglight Pulsion cranks. Makes my Colnago C40 look flabby (like the rider ) at 17lb. Framewight of the Parlee Z1SL was 850gms(1.87lbs?) , the Z2 and Z3 came in at 1050gms (2.3lbs?).

I agree that pursuit of low at the exclusion of other factors is a blind alley, and frankly it doesn't interest me that much. Let's be honest any decent bike would be too good for me, I have no real intention of racing again, but I do love beautiful bicycles, always have, so I really do want something that is achingly beautiful in both form and function. The Time has the latter but probably not the former. The Look has good marks in both, but not top marks. The Colnago and the Parlee both really hit the spot.

BTW I don't know whether you get to see the weekly comic Cycling Weekly over in the US but each summer thay do their race bike of the Year road test. Last year the Time VXR beat off the C50, Trek, De Rosa, Litespeed and a couple of others. Fresh field this year and Look 585 took the honours. Maybe I'll just end up doing nothing

PS if my wife asks about this, you know nothing, never heard of me, Ok?

PPS picture of Colnago E1 not C50 but that's the paint job (or non-paint job) I like

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Re: US road cyclists - advice please

Have you checked out the new 2006 Specialized bikes? They look purty and ride quite well I'm told. http://www.cyclingnews.com/tech.php?...orks_tarmac_sl

I got replaced my antiquated old early 90's 8-speed Record Columbus EL/OS bike this past year with the high-end Lemond bike and came to the conclusion that yes, the componentry is definitely much improved; however, this light weight thing is a bit over-rated in my opinion. As you are probably well aware of, its still the engine that counts. Good luck and pedal lots.
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Re: US road cyclists - advice please

I have a friend with a Lemond. Full carbon and it's identical to the Calfee's of the same time period. Has the webbing between tubes and all.

As far as looks are concerned, I've always thought De Rosa made beautiful bikes.

Why not just spring for a Beryllium frame and be done with it. 1.25 lb mountain bike frame. I think Electrofusion Corp. in California developed it for $30,000.

It sounds like what you want is almost equally based on form as well as function so in that case it would be harder for an outsider to recommend something. You are in the right area, now it's up to you to decide what you think is the best looking bike. I think they all look awesome and extremely fast.

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Here I thought my old Giant TCR Zero was nice
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Re: US road cyclists - advice please

Those Calfees sure are pretty.

I don't think I've seen a bike, dirt or road!, I lusted after more than a Seven roadbike though. ( I see you don't "fancy" them Proto)

http://www.sevencycles.com/

No idea how they rate among roadies as I'm not one, but if I was going to drop real coin on a roadbike, that'd be it. (they do have carbon/Ti models) It makes me want to ride just looking at it! Too many hobbies though...so my bikes tend to be functional (and beat up) over beautiful.

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How about one of these? :-)
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Nah, function over form dude.

When I get home I'll see if I can find any of our Human Powered Vehicle pics and scan one. That thing was aero!




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Re: US road cyclists - advice please

If I was going for a Ti I would seriously consider the Moots, very high quality and looks the biz, likewise the Seven, but seriously expensive.

The off the shelf Parlee would fit me perfectly and looks pretty well priced at 1600 (~$2700) for frame + another 350 (~$595) or so for the forks (ususally Reynolds Ouzo Pro I think).

But at around the 2000 total marrk you can get pretty well much what you want unless you are going custom build. I'm waiting for a call from the Parlee importer. We'll see what he has to say price wise. Fall back position is a Look 585 in white. second fall back position is I'll sent my Colnago back to get it stripped back to bare carbon and re-laquered.
Reality position is I'll probably end up doing nothing

By the way, that Time Trial bike, would that be a Joker? Only even seen a couple on the road. Very trick.
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Re: US road cyclists - advice please

Proto, are you racing? You are dropping some serious coinage down for a bicycle. The prices you are stating, is that with hardware (components)? If so, what type of hardware (Shimano or Campy)? I would imagine Campy, but then you still can't wrong with Shimano Dura-Ace.

Am I going too slow for you?
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No not racing. What, at my age?


No, I just like beautiful bicycles. And you're right it has to be Campgnolo (apart from the carbon FSA cranks on my bike, that is!).
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