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Why are young atheletes having heart problems?

I skimmed the below article just now. I've been wondering for some time now what has been going on and I'd like to hear some opinions.

Is it drugs (steroids, ephedra), or is it that as a society we are pushing the body to it's limits and genetics isn't keeping up?

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Re: Why are young atheletes having heart problems?

It could also be the garbage we put into food, and the good stuff we remove in processing.

It is however, quite possible to push your body past its limits without drug problems. Endurance athletes fight this all the time.



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Endurance athletes fight this all the time.
Really? I've not heard of elite Marathon runners colapsing like this.

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Re: Why are young atheletes having heart problems?

Phobe, that's entirely possible. But I'm not sure there is research to support it.
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Re: Why are young atheletes having heart problems?

The guy was diagnosed with a heart problem a couple years ago, then cleared shortly after by team physicians.

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Really? I've not heard of elite Marathon runners colapsing like this.HD
I remember a few years back the author of a book about the health benefits of jogging died of a heart attack while jogging.

James Fixx

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Re: Why are young atheletes having heart problems?

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I remember a few years back the author of a book about the health benefits of jogging died of a heart attack while jogging.

James Fixx

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And if I remember, that guy had a long time heart condition and attributed his longevity to the fact he did run and keep fit. Otherwise he would have died at a much earlier age. Could be wrong, but think that was it.

There is probably a difference between controlled exhertion (like marathon running) and the start-stop extreme variety found with sprint type sports (like basketball), where the stress can build on itself if not given time to subside.
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And if I remember, that guy had a long time heart condition and attributed his longevity to the fact he did run and keep fit. Otherwise he would have died at a much earlier age. Could be wrong, but think that was it.
"Jim Fixx was an overweight business executive who began running simply because he wanted to improve his tennis game. He loved running so much that he gave up tennis to concentrate on increasing his weekly running mileage."

I'd have to agree that some supplements are what's causing the issue with athletes. The attempts to become "hyper-athletes" are almost assuredly the cause of these heart failures.
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Re: Why are young atheletes having heart problems?

Maybe not who I was thinking about ... or maybe is. Thought he (or another famous runner) had a congenital issue, and there was conjecture the running had helped prolong his life.

This all goes to prove my theory that exercise is bad for you ... unless done on 2 (motorized) wheels.
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Is it drugs (steroids, ephedra), or is it that as a society we are pushing the body to it's limits and genetics isn't keeping up?
I don't think anyone playing on any team sport is pushing their body near its "genetic limit", whatever that is. In the road racing world (bicycles) I used to always hear that all the time "I just can't get any better... I must be at my genetic limit..." For someone to stand there and tell me that the poor excuse for a mangy piece of meat that they put shoes and socks on every morning and inhabit all day lounging around at work is in such fine and polished condition it can only degrade, I find preposterous.

The functional human body is pretty well-tuned to prevent it from inducing internal conditions that are self-jeopardizing. If apparently healthy people are dropping dead for no clear reason, I'd expect they're pushing against a defect or altering themselves chemically.
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Re: Why are young atheletes having heart problems?

Some athletes have an enlarged heart due to conditioning, or what my Cardiologist says "over conditioning" of the heart. With an enlarged heart you run the risk of cardiomyopathy in which you could drop dead after an exersion event from the thickening of the walls of the heart. There have been plenty of endurance athletes drop dead in their 30's and early 40's from the above problem. It is more common than you might think.....
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I don't think anyone playing on any team sport is pushing their body near its "genetic limit", whatever that is. In the road racing world (bicycles) I used to always hear that all the time "I just can't get any better... I must be at my genetic limit..." For someone to stand there and tell me that the poor excuse for a mangy piece of meat that they put shoes and socks on every morning and inhabit all day lounging around at work is in such fine and polished condition it can only degrade, I find preposterous.

The functional human body is pretty well-tuned to prevent it from inducing internal conditions that are self-jeopardizing. If apparently healthy people are dropping dead for no clear reason, I'd expect they're pushing against a defect or altering themselves chemically.
Okay for the weekend warrier, I would agree w/ you, but what about professional atheletes? IMO, the TDF is won not by the fastest sprinter or the best climber, but rather by the guy that isn't tired at the end whether it be b/c of his team or his conditioning. Personally, I think more professional atheletes are at their genetic peak, or at least close to it. Now, as for guys training after work and on weekends: No way. They are full of crap if they think that their genetics are the limiting factor.



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Now, as for guys training after work and on weekends: No way. They are full of crap if they think that their genetics are the limiting factor.

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You mean laziness and underachieving isn't genetic?

You're telling me it is really my fault?
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Some athletes have an enlarged heart due to conditioning, or what my Cardiologist says "over conditioning" of the heart.
For my yearly flight physical, I have to run in place for a minute to get my heart rate UP to a level to make the EKG function correctly. Doc says bradycardia, slow heartbeat, is common in people who regularly exercise hard.

I may have his explanation wrong since I didn't write it down, but at slower heart rates, which athletes usually have, a slight arrythmia combined with bradycardia can cause heart failure.

It would be interesting to note what heart condition Fischer was diagnosed with in '02.
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Re: Why are young atheletes having heart problems?

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Really? I've not heard of elite Marathon runners colapsing like this.

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I was in a store that caters to triathaletes yesterday, and I had a long talk with an older triathalete(I think he owned the store too) about this. He said the triathaletes do pretty good, as they all know they have to keep electrolytes down, and how to keep their nutrition up. That said, they've had people drop during a race due to a genetic heart defect which it seems to me these cases normally end up blaming more often than drugs.

I took a class on cardiovascular bioengineering, and the number of people born with undetected heart defects is surprisingly large. (can't remember the exact number)

But what I had in mind when I typed that was the ultra-marathoners who are checked when they come into the stations on course.

OH, and I don't think anybody has a "genetic limit". Some people will react to certain types of training better than others, but no matter how "bad" your genetics are, you can always improve.



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