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post #1 of 72 Old 12-29-2005, 10:18 AM Thread Starter
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Sony and a new can of worms

Well, my 14 yo got a Sony PSP with his Christmas money, and seeing as it has a 802.11 wireless connection, and a browser, it wasn't long before he was asking me for the key to get on my router. I investigated the Parental Controls available, and to my dismay it seems there are none other than browser/no browser. Not much of a control in my opinion. I posted a thread on Sony's official site, and it looks like its definitely stirred up the younger posters who think they should have unfettered access to the net.

http://boardsus.playstation.com/play...age.id=1577680

To me this is a real issue. I have 6 kids in the house, and 4 are teenagers. My rule is, if you want on the net, there is a linux machine with filtering installed and maintained by me that you can use. There will be no internet in your rooms or behind a closed door. This applies even to the 17yo who just got a laptop for Christmas and will be shipping out to the Navy in a few months after turning 18 and graduating high school.

The bottom line is kids of any age can pick up a PSP, jog down to the local Starbucks or McDonalds, whoever is hosting a free Access Point, and browse the net without any supervision. There's dozens of replies telling me to just trust my kid, but it goes much farther than that in my opinion. Sony has placed a tool in the hands of minors that allows them to access Porn, or anything else adult oriented floating out on the net. Isn't that basically illegal? Sony really dropped the ball on this one.

They also did a poor implementation of Parental Control. They have a 4 digit code you can set up the controls with, and all you have to do to subvert this is pull out your media card, and do a hard reset on the PSP, and you are back to square one, completely unlocked.

How long will it be before some kid is arrested viewing porn in a McDonalds in plain site of customers? Unfortunately, I think that's what it's going to take to make people aware. Don't get me wrong, I love the technology, I just wish Sony would have given us parents who actually care a little more control.
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So will you make the PSP off limits until they add filtering ability...

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Re: Sony and a new can of worms

Well at this point, he does not have the wep key, so he is not on the internet. I checked my area, and even tried to log onto a unlocked AP in the neighborhood. No dice. So what I will probably be doing is locking out the browser with the Parental Controls, and then checking periodically to make sure the Parental Control code is what I set it to, and not 0000 to ensure he hasn't hard reset the PSP.

Yes I am being a hardass, but like I said in a post on that thread. I trust my son, it's the internet I don't. There are things on the web that kids just don't need to see whether they think they do or not. Hell, there's things I don't need to see.
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Re: Sony and a new can of worms

Just say "NO" to wireless. Trust no one.

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Re: Sony and a new can of worms

This doesn't even cover the issue of kids running around with these handhelds logging onto people's Access Points that are unsecure, and stealing bandwidth. Didn't someone get prosecuted for "theft of bandwidth"? You wouldn't believe how easy it is to scan for open networks on the PSP. Now my younger son has a Nintendo DS and it has the same 802.11 controls, but they have locked theirs down extensively. You can only use it with certain games. No web browsing, just connected gaming. But they will have the same issue with kids roaming around looking for an open access point.
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Re: Sony and a new can of worms

Dude your not being a hard ass. Anything your child does you are responsible for that action. Legally and Morally.I'm glad to actually hear a parent take that sort of responsiblity and interest with there child.
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Re: Sony and a new can of worms

Rules are the same for my daughter - and my son when he's old enough.
One computer for her use, in an open room. No closed door or hidden internet access and I keep tabs on it.
She whines about not getting a computer in her room, but that's just too damned bad.
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Dude your not being a hard ass. Anything your child does you are responsible for that action. Legally and Morally.I'm glad to actually hear a parent take that sort of responsiblity and interest with there child.
I totally agree. I wish more parents were like you. And after reading through some of the thread on the Sony site, I'm quite certain I'm dumber. Your post was the only one with correct grammar.
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6 kids!!! WOW....how do you do it...I have 2 and it requires lots of energy!!!

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Re: Sony and a new can of worms

If your teenagers want to look at porn that badly they don't need the internet to access it. Me and my friends used to raid the recycling depot magazine bins... we had a seriously impressive stash of hardcore porn tear-off mags for a while there. I kinda doubt they're sitting at a table at Starbucks or Macdonalds looking at naked ladies.

And then there's this asshole...
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Re: Sony and a new can of worms

Some ideas that might apply:
For enhanced security set your router to only accept certain MAC addresses on wireless.
Does your router have parental controls?
You maybe able to set the PSP up so that the Linux box serves as the DNS server using the parental controls present

Hardass no, you just don't want your son/daughter molested by chester the molester or other bad things.

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Re: Sony and a new can of worms

Heheh. That was actually an interesting read. I liked this post "OldDad":

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Willn91, unfortunately my kids are in the position where dear Old Dad knows more about networking and programming than they do. As a systems programmer and a certified nerd, they will have to try hard to outsmart me. They are more than welcome to try. http://boardsus.playstation.com/i/sm...iley-happy.gif


I applaud your efforts. No need for illegal content, or surfing porn in your house, on your business machine.



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Re: Sony and a new can of worms

Thanks for the support guys. A night of arguing with anonymous teens was starting to take it's toll. I am really trying hard to figure out what Sony was thinking. Give an underage kid a tool that they can walk to Starbucks and log onto Playboy.com. How is that a responsible company? How hard would it have been for them to hardcode a proxy and set up a centralized network. I know I would never recommend AOL, but they do hype the availability and ease of parental controls. I am just blown away at how Sony allowed this.

As for how you do it, my wife has three kids full time, and I have my three kids full time. You just do it I guess. Trust me I am as normal as the rest of you. We just do a lot of running, and spend a wad of cash on things like food and fun.
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Do cell phones have parental controls on their browsers?
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Re: Sony and a new can of worms

The only cell phone browsers I have had needed pages that were WAP, and after writing some wap enabled pages, I was ready to pull my hair out.

Just tried playboy.com on my current phone. Got an error. Specifically MIC Error 603 Content Error. There may be a problem with this web page.

Keep in mind that the phone browsers request a different header, or at least that's how the wap browsers worked. Plus, I don't think they work with frames.

The PSP browser not only worked with playboy, it allowed me to save the images and use them as my background or share them if I wanted..
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