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Officers Shoot 51 Times

Wounded men dispute police account of 50-shot incident - Newsday.com

I dont know how big this story is around the nation but its all over the headlines here. Police officers open fire into a car at allegedy unarmed men killing one man that was to be married that day and wounding others.
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Re: Officers Shoot 51 Times

It is but I also heard that they tried to run the officer over. I am sure you are getting more detail locally though

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Yes I intially heard that as well. Then that story was disputed. Also the police comissioner said that regulations state that no officer is to fire into a vehicle unless there is gunfire coming from the vehicle.
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Yes I intially heard that as well. Then that story was disputed. Also the police comissioner said that regulations state that no officer is to fire into a vehicle unless there is gunfire coming from the vehicle.
So if you are a police officer in NYC and some tries to run you over you cannot defend yourself Wow I hope they are REAL well paid. Of course IF the using the car as a weapon is fabricated then that changes things. Personally you could not pay me enough to be a cop there or LA as it seems the system is out to get them.

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Actually the officers in NY are very very underpaid...its also a bit insulting because the officers in Long Island which is on the border of NYC are among the top highest paid in the country. In NYC they start around $30k or so...and may average $40-$50 with OT. In Long Island the average pay is $100k. Also whether shooting into a car is considered defending oneself is debatable...that was one of the major points of discussion at the beginning of the incident. That discussion ended though with the commissioners statement.
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Actually the officers in NY are very very underpaid...its also a bit insulting because the officers in Long Island which is on the border of NYC are among the top highest paid in the country. In NYC they start around $30k or so...and may average $40-$50 with OT. In Long Island the average pay is $100k. Also whether shooting into a car is considered defending oneself is debatable...that was one of the major points of discussion at the beginning of the incident. That discussion ended though with the commissioners statement.
If I was trying to run you over in my car and you had a gun (pretend you are where the constitution is semi-honored) would you shoot at the car in an attempt to make me either divert or stop out of fear for your life?

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i would have. a car can be a weapon. i would have took it as a threat. they were talking about it on the radio here.
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I think they shot because they are all racist. They just saw a black man and decided to empty a few magazines just because of skin color, no other factors whatsoever.
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that is what they are trying to turn it into. i get sick of the race card getting thrown in situations like this. like with the cramer insident, if it had been the other way it would have been fine.
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Racist? 2 cops were black, 2 Hispanic, other Anglo - Get your facts straight.
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Racist? 2 cops were black, 2 Hispanic, other Anglo - Get your facts straight.
he was being a smart a**. hes the local one on the org if you look around
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Regardless, 51 shots seems to me to be a bit excessive. I don't know what kind of guns they are equipped with, .45's or something of that variation (?), but I do know that there shouldn't be a reason to just haul ass and shoot that much...even if there was fire coming from the vehicle. That's alot of bullets that went into the car.
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Racist? 2 cops were black, 2 Hispanic, other Anglo - Get your facts straight.
Don't take everything you read here at face value . Take it at "ass" value more often than not.

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Re: Officers Shoot 51 Times

50 shots.

Not really excessive when firing into a car.

The point of shooting is to stop the threat...if the car isn't stopping, you keep firing.

I think this is far too light on info to decide either way.




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Re: Officers Shoot 51 Times

Five officers, 50 shots. That's ten per. If they felt their life were in danger from what they claim they thought were four individuals in a car ramming them, it isn't really all that out of the realm of realistic.
The detective stated he heard one of them state he was going to go get a gun. He followed them to the car, announced he was police and then they rammed him.
They all had records and at least one was currently under investigation.
There is a lot more to the story than 50 shots fired at a car, and I feel fine just letting the situation unfold.
Seems to me the ones blowing it out of proportion are the ones with the most to gain.

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