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post #1 of 33 Old 07-02-2007, 3:45 PM Thread Starter
 
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Quitting the law, joining the Police...

So, I am contemplating quitting the practice of law, and joining the police, somewhere here in the northeast...

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Re: Quitting the law, joining the Police...

Opposite ends of the spectrum...and pay scale. Why?

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Re: Quitting the law, joining the Police...

Big pay cut there... But you get to carry a gun all the time.

Why are you looking to get out of law?

Do you just want to help people? If so go down to the local volunteer fire department and sign up.
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Re: Quitting the law, joining the Police...

Waste of talent. If you really want to get into law enforcement, why not become a prosecuting attorney (if that isn't already what you do). The grass is always greener on the other side.
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Re: Quitting the law, joining the Police...

What area of the Police force? Highway patrol on a bike maybe....
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Big pay cut there... But you get to carry a gun all the time.

Why are you looking to get out of law?

Do you just want to help people? If so go down to the local volunteer fire department and sign up.
We have no volunteer fd in the city...I am looking to get out because I don't really like the law...I don't mind things at trial, because that is kind of like chess; but the rest of it is pretty crappy...I went into the field in some misguided attempt to find intellectual-professionalism...I found the same idiots I always saw, but these "legal" ones had a big chip on their shoulder because they had a law degree...So, if I am going to work with average people, I would rather work with folks who did not have an erroneous and inflated sense of their intellectual superiority...I am not stupid myself, but I am something of a slave to rational-process and limited by the information I have been able to internalize...I just find the law less than I expected. I guess getting the "bad man" off has taken something of a toll...And, I will not take too much of a pay-hit, depending on where I go.

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Waste of talent. If you really want to get into law enforcement, why not become a prosecuting attorney (if that isn't already what you do). The grass is always greener on the other side.
I agree, the grass is...But, as for talent, thanks; however, I think that as a detective, or a lawyer in the police law division, I could bring something the typical academy grad can't...I could never prosecute, as I am just too abrasive to really seek to "prove" something to a jury...I can, through reason, poke holes in the credibiblity of the evidence/witnesses, but unless I am putting forward an affirmative defense (one WE must prove), the burden really lies with the Prosecution, and I have no real aptitude...Also, I think there are lots of resources to assist prosecuting attorneys, and many folks from top schools who have political aspirations or didn't get into the big-name firms will go into prosecution to gain litigation experience and credibility to further their political or economic desires...

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What area of the Police force? Highway patrol on a bike maybe....
I was thinking, after the probationary period of course, trying out for supervisory positions (tests until Captain, and I have all the education ever needed), detective, mounted (horse-I can ride, drive, and jump), or even the law division...

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Re: Quitting the law, joining the Police...

Change can be a good thing and the law is always going to be around, no point to just die wondering. I think in life you should taste as much as you can and stepping outside your comfort zone once in a while makes you feel alive. Is that not what bikes are about..
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Change can be a good thing and the law is always going to be around, no point to just die wondering. I think in life you should taste as much as you can and stepping outside your comfort zone once in a while makes you feel alive. Is that not what bikes are about..
Roger that.

I am not sure what I am going to do...I view the degree as a benefit, the license as a burden, and the endeavor as a slightly-tainted honorable pursuit. Who knows?

Thanks all, for the input.

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Re: Quitting the law, joining the Police...

Becoming a policeman? How do you feel about not being liked by the majority of the people you interact with? Frankly I believe it's a dangerous thankless job topped off with mediocre pay. My father always wanted to be a lawyer and finished law school in his early twenties. By the time he passed the bar he told my mom he couldn't live with himself and practice law. He went on to become a very successful stockbroker in downtown Seattle. He worked 6 days a week for years and his clients loved him. He loved the job, the human interaction, he was a real people person, he never churned accounts. I would think with your education you would be better suited in a more professional job than becoming a cop. Good luck with your decision.

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How do you feel about not being liked by the majority of the people you interact with?
I would think with your education you would be better suited in a more professional job
As a lawyer I am already hated by most people with whom I come in contact ...But, I agree; my education would kind of be wasted as a mere "beat cop," but both of the Comissioners (of Corrections and the NYPD) that I have met were law school grads too, and came to admin late. I could go up within the dep't, and work at a "professional level" after a very brief probationary period...But , thanks for the wishings of well...I am not sure what I will decide...

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Re: Quitting the law, joining the Police...

if memory serves you have a porshe among other vehicles true? look at officer Johnny Fiveoh how much chit can he afford that you have? are you willing for the lifestyle change? Not just professionally speaking but I mean like thee way you live your home life I'd assume you'd be taking a fairly substantial pay cut..
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Re: Quitting the law, joining the Police...

Get out now! I agree with your decision to look elsewhere. I worked in BIG law for several years and am now looking for a job at even half my former salary (albeit, twice the happiness).

True dat about the ppl. Yulch!

Do it now before it's too late (e.g, buy into partnership). What area of law, btw?
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if memory serves you have a porshe among other vehicles true? look at officer Johnny Fiveoh how much chit can he afford that you have? are you willing for the lifestyle change? Not just professionally speaking but I mean like thee way you live your home life I'd assume you'd be taking a fairly substantial pay cut..
A '94 911 Turbo (3.6L, last rear-drive year)...It wasn't new when I got it, and nearly qualifies for high-mileage discounts due to my driving...

My job pays a little bit, but I don't pull in the big M and A money...

With the average cop making $80K after only a few years, and Detectives, Sergeants, and LTs making between $100K and $160K, the impact of the lower starting salary will be offset soon...

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Get out now! I agree with your decision to look elsewhere. I worked in BIG law for several years and am now looking for a job at even half my former salary (albeit, twice the happiness).

True dat about the ppl. Yulch!

Do it now before it's too late (e.g, buy into partnership). What area of law, btw?
Yeah, I think I will make the change, and must now consider to "where."

Criminal Defense...Scary, right?

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Re: Quitting the law, joining the Police...

Why don't you try the law enforcement approach. Seems to me you would make a fine investigator. Abrasive can sometimes work to your advantage in that field. The down side is that you may ruffle feathers and that's never good for promotion in an old boy's club. The way I see it you don't really have much to lose. If the cop thing doesn't work out back to law you go. The training alone would be a very enriching experience imo.
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Re: Quitting the law, joining the Police...

I dont what aspects of the PD you're researching but aside from the obvious fringe benefits I cant see why you'd want to make that jump. Depending on what police department you choose, especially a small one... it would be kind of hard to make detective as quickly as you think.

You're better off going for FBI(you already have the degree) or US Marshals Service or any federal law enforcement really.

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