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post #1 of 34 Old 10-31-2007, 11:58 PM Thread Starter
 
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Rugby Vs Grid Iron (US football)

I read a comment on here a while ago about the NFL football players being big enough and able enough to snap a rugby player accross their knee. I just wanted to make the point that front row rugby players are on average big solid boys that I think would hold their own against NFL players in terms of weight and strength. Rugby is one of the toughest sports on the planet and I for one have nothing but respect for anyone who plays the game. No padding although some players wear helmets it's pretty much bare knuckles stuff. The rugby world cup was just played and one of those French guys (SEBASTIEN CHABAL) was so scary looking they would have slapped an "M" rating on the TV broadcast in some countries I'm sure.

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ha! Rugby front rowers make the biggest baddest NFL players look like little girls.

Rugby is like american football, only without the pissant padding, breaks every 3 minutes for ads/drinks/bum slap and stupid dances.

Oh, and you cant pass forward, so you actually have to work to score.

pppffffft... NFL hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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i got scared just watching the their little stand off. it's like they were going to war.

i must admit NFL teams have nothing on these guys, when it comes to an intro on the field.
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ha! Rugby front rowers make the biggest baddest NFL players look like little girls.

Rugby is like american football, only without the pissant padding, breaks every 3 minutes for ads/drinks/bum slap and stupid dances.

Oh, and you cant pass forward, so you actually have to work to score.

pppffffft... NFL hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Hmm...this is the least intelligent post I've read all week. Good on ya, mate!

Rugby is nothing like American football. They are so different, it's like apples to oranges. And though I have the most respect for rugby players as it's a badass game, how many 260 pound rugby players can run 4.5 40 yard dash? Those aren't an anomoly in the NFL. Little girls? Riiiiiight.


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Hmm...this is the least intelligent post I've read all week. Good on ya, mate!

Rugby is nothing like American football. They are so different, it's like apples to oranges. And though I have the most respect for rugby players as it's a badass game, how many 260 pound rugby players can run 4.5 40 yard dash? Those aren't an anomoly in the NFL. Little girls? Riiiiiight.

they may be able to run a 4.5 in 40 yards, but do 10 seconds at 60 yards. lol

american football is made up of specialists in their position.

rugby players have to have a balance of all.
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So you're taking a guy who is WAY above average size for Rugby and is slow as all get out and comparing him to NFL players?
That guy isn't a front row guy, he's a back row guy. The average front row in Rugby is closer to maybe 220lbs and maybe 6' tall. Not big guys at all compared to the NFL.
What a crock. So you're a Rugby fan, whoop-dee-doo. There isn't a single player in all of professional Rugby that is the size of an NFL lineman and there isn't a single player in all of professional Rugby that has the speed of NFL receivers.
On top of that, you don't have guys that are a combination of size and speed like linebackers that would outrun and crush that bearded frenchie with ease. And 10 seconds in 60 yards? Maybe an offensive lineman. Some hack saying linebackers are that slow is beyond pathetically stupid.

The speed, differential of speed and impacts in the NFL are FAR greater than what is seen in Rugby, which is why there are pads. Those guys are far more powerful and generate far greater impacts.

I would love to see one of those sissy flankers or wings run at full speed and take a shot from a 6'4" 265lbs guy running full speed at him without pads. And by full speed, I mean NFL speed, not Rugby speed.
There are no forward passes in Rugby because there isn't the talent to do so and the guys wouldn't be able to take the punishment of that part of the game.

There is simply no way to compare the two, they are different games entirely. But the defensive linemen and linebackers of the NFL would eat any of those Rugby players for lunch and **** them out right afterwards.

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Makes you wonder why they even go there...
Maybe they should ask a rugby player how they would feel going up against NFL players. After all, the posters on this board (myself included) aren't the ones who will get their limbs broken OFF.

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I think the way the players connect differs in the two games. Hence the need for padding. I think you should understand that Rugby palyers are seriously big and fast, in the same way the NFL players are.
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In the second grade team at my club, all the backs can run 11-11.5 second hundred metres, and some of the forwards arent far off it. NFL also doesnt have scrums, where 800 kilos aside (1700 pounds) so 1600 kilos is concentrated on the shoulders of the three front rowers... a yank I know came down to training, he was an NFL player, he couldnt do the scrum drill and ultimately said it was ****ing insane.

Rugby is fun, intense and violent, but its also civilised, and takes structure and intelligence.
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Please somebody just show me something where Rugby players are as big as NFL players.. SEBASTIEN CHABAL is 6"3 and 257lbs.. Thats not even close to NFL size... Rugby players are not as big as NFL players, its a fact... Im not saying there not as tough, Rugby is a brutal sport.. But according the the RWC web site I can't find to many players anywhere close to NFL size.. And Im talking World Cup Rugby which IMHO is the top of the line for Rugby players..
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SEBASTIEN CHABAL is not the biggest, he was just an example of what you might see when you take in a game of Rugby. Size, speed and strength is part of the requirement to play the game so it stands to reason players that fit this requirement will have an advantage - It would be interesting to know if there has been any successfull cross over between the sports - either way. I'm not here to slam NFL just making the point that Rugby players are not little poofs. In fact a few years back they ran some boxing match ups on TV between Rugby & AFL players and the Rugby guys dished it out..
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I'm not here to slam NFL just making the point that Rugby players are not little poofs.



I completely agree with ya on that one.. I also would agree that some rugby players are somewhat "tougher" than alot of NFL players. I was just pointing out that on a size basis the NFL wins hands down.. But as far as "tough" I might lean towards Rugby myself...
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I read a comment on here a while ago about the NFL football players being big enough and able enough to snap a rugby player accross their knee. I just wanted to make the point that front row rugby players are on average big solid boys that I think would hold their own against NFL players in terms of weight and strength. Rugby is one of the toughest sports on the planet and I for one have nothing but respect for anyone who plays the game. No padding although some players wear helmets it's pretty much bare knuckles stuff. The rugby world cup was just played and one of those French guys (SEBASTIEN CHABAL) was so scary looking they would have slapped an "M" rating on the TV broadcast in some countries I'm sure.

And don't forget the Harka
If you are going to stand up for a sport at least you can do is learn how to spell and pronounce what the All Blacks actual war chant is called, the HAKA!!
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Please somebody just show me something where Rugby players are as big as NFL players.. SEBASTIEN CHABAL is 6"3 and 257lbs.. Thats not even close to NFL size... Rugby players are not as big as NFL players, its a fact... Im not saying there not as tough, Rugby is a brutal sport.. But according the the RWC web site I can't find to many players anywhere close to NFL size.. And Im talking World Cup Rugby which IMHO is the top of the line for Rugby players..
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The biggest rugby players wont be as big as NFL as they have to play the whole game, not play a point, rest, sub off. They also need to be skillfull with the ball, you cant have purely defensive players.

Also due to the nature of the game the forward (big guys) tend to either be heavy but not overly tall (props) or tall but more mobile. With the lineouts there is a tendancy towards tall players who can jump.
Looking at South Africa from the link you give
Os du Randt
Weight: 125 (275lb)
Height: 190 (6-2)

Albert van den Berg
Weight: 110 (240lbs)
Height: 202 (6-8)
They had about 4 players around that height

You wont get many players much over 280lbs, thats about the limit on the weight of rugby players.

The trend a few years ago was for bigger wingers - these are suppose to be the fast guys but when Jonah Lomu came along and was big and fast everyone else changed to also have bigger guys. He was clearly the best of the big wingers and I think would mix it with a typical NFL running back.
Jonah Lomu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (listed as 6-5 and 264lbs and he was the fast guy on the team, 100m in 10.9s)

And while rugby union and rugby league are very similar games, the physical makeup of the players is quite different. League leans more towards a uniform smaller size as the game is generally quicker than rugby union and has less "set pieces" where size matters. So you rarely get players over 6-3 while every top level rugby union team would have several well over that. League also tends to have the heaviest players around the low 100kg mark (220-230lbs) as heavier players arent such an advantage compared to what they loose in mobility and stamina.
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I read a comment on here a while ago about the NFL football players being big enough and able enough to snap a rugby player accross their knee. I just wanted to make the point that front row rugby players are on average big solid boys that I think would hold their own against NFL players in terms of weight and strength. Rugby is one of the toughest sports on the planet and I for one have nothing but respect for anyone who plays the game. No padding although some players wear helmets it's pretty much bare knuckles stuff. The rugby world cup was just played and one of those French guys (SEBASTIEN CHABAL) was so scary looking they would have slapped an "M" rating on the TV broadcast in some countries I'm sure.

And don't forget the Haka
Even with that dance and a face that looks like that our bouys brought the cup home.Well Done for SOUTH AFRICA.
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