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Re: What is the difference between CR and XR?

I want to get a few dirt bikes for me and my wife, and eventually, our new daughter. *And was looking for some advice from you experienced dirty guys . *What would be a good bike for me, my wife, and my kid. *I would like to stay with Honda, so I guess my choices would be an XR or CR. *I guess a 400 for me, a 125 or 250 for my wife, and a 50 for the kid. *

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Re: What is the difference between CR and XR?

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firebladetoronto : I want to get a few dirt bikes for me and my wife, and eventually, our new daughter. *And was looking for some advice from you experienced dirty guys . *What would be a good bike for me, my wife, and my kid. *I would like to stay with Honda, so I guess my choices would be an XR or CR. *I guess a 400 for me, a 125 or 250 for my wife, and a 50 for the kid. *

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You should probably go the XR route. Cr s are serious motocrossers with lots a power up top. The XR is a fourstroke with a heavy flywheel perfect for the trails. Aircooled. These things last forever. If it were me a xr400r for you a xr250r or 200 for the wife and a xr50 for the kid.

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Re: What is the difference between CR and XR?

CR's are the two stroke motorcross bikes, the XR are the 4 stroke trail bikes. I would defintaly say go with the XR, or even the CRF's. The XR's are bullet proof, easy to maintain, easy to ride, etc.
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Re: What is the difference between CR and XR?

I was looking at a conversion kit for the crf 450...heavy flywhell, wider gear range, etc. What a sweet trail bike that would be. Lotsa power, and that sweet suspension.

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Re: What is the difference between CR and XR?

Good advice. A friend of mine has an XR400 and it's a killer dirtbike. And having a 50cc Honda dirtbike when I was a young'un...I can say those little bikes are a blast!

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Re: What is the difference between CR and XR?

why would a heavy flywheel help

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Re: What is the difference between CR and XR?

And what is the this dry sump thing, and do I really want an electric starter? Do they come with speedos? And add to my questions, the difference between XR and CRF? And how the 2 or 4 stroke going to effect my life? This is just for bumming around on the weekend. Nothing competitive.

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Re: What is the difference between CR and XR?

As has been stated, the CR's are seriously powerful race bikes, designed for that purpose. Much narrower powerband than the 4 stroke XR's (unless you get one of the larger displacement models, and I think for you that would be drastic overkill). For your purposes, there is no question - get the XR model. They have a much broader and manageable powerband, much more down low. You will love it!
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Re: What is the difference between CR and XR?

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rocket : I was looking at a conversion kit for the crf 450...heavy flywhell, wider gear range, etc. What a sweet trail bike that would be. Lotsa power, and that sweet suspension.
If you got long legs I suppose. I'm a respectable 5' 10', yet I am amazed at how high the seats are on bikes like the CRF. But I got to remember what it was designed for, motorcross. The designer probaly never envisioned tight woods, tricky mud hill climbes covered in roots or logs, tight single track onuphil switchbacks, etc. Thats the riding I do, and I need to be able to easly put a foot down.
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Re: What is the difference between CR and XR?

Look what I found, heres what I'm talking about http://www.off-road.com/dirtbike/97mk200/ I ran this enduro in 1990, on a KDX200 no less.
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Re: What is the difference between CR and XR?

I love my XR400 and will never out grow it. The bigger XR's are just too much more than I can handle off road. I would like to get a CRF myself some day but can't handle paying for all these toys. I'm gonna have to get my son a real toy too for himself soon. Damn money and motorcycles, I don't have enough of either!

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Re: What is the difference between CR and XR?

The CRF line consists of dirtbikes built for motocross/supercross with a four stroke engine. They are incredible bikes all the way around, but probably not ideal for simple trail riding unless some things have been changed around. XR's are good all around bikes for trails and you can't go wrong there.

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Simply put, the extra heft of the flywheel is for torque purposes and allows the bike to grunt around at low rpms without dying or bogging too much. (simple version)

If it were me in the market, I'd probably get the CRF450 for myself and make the changes, so that it was a great trail bike. I'd get the wife and child into the XR line, but would also have to consider a CRF250 for the wife and make the changes to it as well. The kid stays on the XR50 and when he/she was too big for it, I'd turn into my pit bike and parking lot racer. There is a ton of aftermarket for the 50 which changes it into a big person's fun machine.

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Re: What is the difference between CR and XR?

I'm fairly new to dirtbikes so my opinion might be a fair way from the norm, but I like the 2 stroke rush when the powerband comes in. The 4 strokes are easier to ride, more tractable engines etc and probably a lot easier to get from point a to point b, but it's just the manic ways of a 2 stroke that I enjoy.

I've got a real old ('88) ktm 350 which cost me bugger all has good suspension and the motor has been sorted and it's a huge laugh, I'm very happy with my choice. Of course it's not the same beast as a CR, it's like a 2 stroke version of an XR.

as mentioned by others there are more differences between the CR and XR than just engine type.

I'd also recommend that if buying 2nd hand don't let scratches etc put you off, there'll be plenty more on there by the time you've finished having fun on it


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Re: What is the difference between CR and XR?

If this is your first dirty bike then I would definitely go with the XR400. It is a great bike, will last forever with a minimum of maintenance, and will hold its’ retail value better than a CRF.

I have two buddies with CRF 450’s, all race A class MX (which means they flog the crap out of them) and none have had any problems so far. I also have friends with XR400’s – you can ride them hard and put them away wet for years with no ill effects.

Can’t go wrong either way – but the CRF will punish a throttle-happy novice.
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Re: What is the difference between CR and XR?

Having just gotten back into the dirt sport myself and having reviewed what is available I can offer you this advice. First of all take a class to see if the wife and family are going to enjoy it. There is a place just past Barrie that offers a day class and they are great instructors for all ages (starting at 5) and skill sets and it's relatively inexpensive ($200 Canadian for bike, gear, insurance, lunch and instructor for the day). Site is WWW.CMTS.ORG

Second decide on the type of riding your going to mainly do. If it is primarily trail riding look for a smaller displacement and the XR or CRF line, if your doing the track look for the CR line. Also remember that by the end of the day you are going to be beat so picking up a dropped XR400 and having to kick over a flooded four stroke is a challenge, trust me on this one.

I would seriously look at the CRF line if I was going to do mostly trails. They are the easy to make street legal, are pretty light and well behaved, have electronic start and won't break the bank ($4200 Cad for the CRF230 and $3600 for the 150). If you get bored of them, you can sell them and not loose your shirt. If you really want the power and need the Honda name then the XR250 or 400 is a good choice. Both are solid machines. Personally I love my KLX300 for the trails...

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