While providing a service by doing work for next to nothing I would have to think the gangs (yes I know not all gangs are made of immigrants so no need to tell me), the cost of keeping them in custody and deportation outweighs their services. I'm certain there are hungry LEGAL families that would be happy to have work that would be there IF they weren't being given to someone that works under the table. I'm just brushing broad strokes here so lets not attack my research just yet. I'm simply trying to find out the thoughts of others.
Most "gangs" ala training day, colors, blood in blood out, are made up of US citizens, fighting over turf and pharmaceutical-commercial-rights, so the few illegal-immigrant gangs tend to be the really illegal ones, like the mexican mob...Very dangerous, but they too have citizen-sympathizers/members. I think the scary issue is that the farmers, food service establishments, maid-services, hotels, and contractors who hire illegals really can't stay profitable without that low-paid work force. The money is just not in the equation to pay minimum wage, payroll taxes, health insurance, retirement benefits, etc. that an American citizen would demand before taking the job.
Slaves did work for next to nothing also. The same type of people that argued the necessity of slavery are now arguing for illegal aliens to be thier surfs. Greedy and evil.
If you think it is so evil, stop eating American produce and American beef, stop drinking California wine, and start sleeping in a car on trips...Oh, and have all your friends who buy newly-constructed homes pay the 45% over market value that using all-legal labor would cost....Sorry, I will chill out. I hate the "evil" card played by folks on this issue who will still drink orange juice and eat strawberries.
I am not sure they are arguing FOR use of illegal
labor, so much as they want access to low-cost labor through a variety of possible programs. Day work programs with a more transparant border-status allowing folks to come and go, adjustments to NAFTA, and some other plans have all been suggested. Other folks want to build a wall. As I said above, Americans will not take the jobs at the rate employers can afford to pay. Somebody's got to do the work, or the rest of the country will buy products from Chile, etc.
Saw a news report today that says some credit card company are going to start issuing credit cards to illegals. Now I think that it is really wrong to issue credit to someone that doesn't belong here!
Go back in history, and with the exception of the natives who crossed the land bridge 50,000 years ago, and the norsemen who did it over a 1000 years ago, every other major group who came to this country participated in some variety of slaughter (black slaves killed plenty of natives, too), land theft, or fraud on the native americans. We ALL don't belong here, but we are here now, so we should stop being so self righteous about it. We should offer them the cards, and we should then each buy shares in citigroup, and every other corp giving them the cards, and make money off of them.
another thing, I don't know about each of you but before i traveled to a different country I would try to learn the language!!!!! Now I'm all about bettering yourself and providing for your family but to bypass the system (regardless of how imperfect it is) is horseshit. I don't get to bypass the rules just because I don't want to have to go through all of the steps nor should anyone else. Deport them once, if they come back... chop their ****in feet off. Don't put them in our jails where my hard earned tax money goes to feed them and keep them dry. We could be using that money to help fight our problems here at home like homeless, pay for cancer research anything other than feeding someone who broke our laws!
I agree, if you are going to settle, assimilate. But, as our country tries to be free and equal, we don't require literacy or even fluency in any particular language. I think that is a mistake too, but that doesn't mean they should leave.
If you are white and from the middle class in this country, you do get to bypass the rules. You will get credit more easily, spend less time in jail than a black or brown man for the same crime, spend a night in a private cell more often than not, get diversionary programs for simple posession charges instead of "intent to distribute" jail time...it is much easier for some than others. Of course, $ is the great color-equalizer...
95% of the people in prison are American citizens...That's who you are feeding. People lucky enough to be born here, who spit in the face of it, or just make bad decisions.
Immigrants, legal and not, have traditionally been the hardest workers in each american era, and we should applaud them for encouraging the rest of us to rediscover our work ethic.