Need some advice. - Honda Motorcycles - FireBlades.org
Road Racing: Club / Amateur Discussion of Club / Amateur Motorcycle Road Racing, such as AFM, CCS, WSMC, WERA, etc.

User Tag List

 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #1 of 11 Old 10-17-2006, 3:40 AM Thread Starter
 
Join Date: 03-22-2006
Location: Parkersburg wv
Age: 42
Posts: 95
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Reputation Power: 14
 
Send a message via AIM to msalser1000 Send a message via Yahoo to msalser1000
Need some advice.

Hey guys, I have a coule of questions and some comments. I have some friends that wn to get into endurance racing. Which i think is cool, but they wanna jump right into it with hardly any experience. One guy is a licenced road racer with WERA, the other three have Little or no track time what so ever. I have a lot of saftey concerns for them. I think season of track days would be a good thing for them, so they can learn to ride on a race track. Riding fast on the roads here in WV is one thing, racing is a whole nother ball of wax. I am all for them doing it with some proper training and some track time. When I voiced my opinion I got turned on like my rotweiler on a raw steak. Should I mind my own bussiness? Just dont wanna see these friends get hurt. I would love to race myself ,but like i said riding fast on the road is one thing. The track is something completly different.

They all weigh from 145 to 215 pounds, and they think they can all ride the same bike with the suspension set for the heaviest guy. And think they will be competive. I might be crazy or out of line but i just dont wanna see people get hurt fot being irrational.


thanks
MS
msalser1000 is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 11 Old 10-17-2006, 9:30 AM
 
Join Date: 02-07-2002
Location: UT
Posts: 10,531
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Reputation Power: 46
                     
Re: Need some advice.

They can't race without a license. They can't get that license without going through whatever course the sanctioning body states.
Once they've done that, if the sanctioning body gives them licenses, let them go make fools of themselves.
They'll get humbled immediately and more than likely won't want to do it again.
BDA116 is offline  
post #3 of 11 Old 10-17-2006, 9:51 AM
 
HondaGalToo's Avatar
 
Join Date: 12-29-2001
Location: New Jersey, USA
Posts: 6,731
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Reputation Power: 31
             
Re: Need some advice.

BDA has a good point: They can't race without a license and will be required to go through some type of instruction to get one. From what I've heard about race schools, the instruction part isn't as informative as what you'd get at a good trackday school. I think your suggestion is right on the money, that they should take a season of trackdays first. But, you can't often persuade the hard-headed with reason. At least you tried.
HondaGalToo is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #4 of 11 Old 10-17-2006, 11:50 AM
 
gt702's Avatar
 
Join Date: 06-10-2004
Location: MI
Posts: 1,279
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Reputation Power: 19
     
Re: Need some advice.

Quote:
Originally Posted by BDA116 View Post
T
They'll get humbled immediately and more than likely won't want to do it again.
Or they'll take the time to learn right.

One nice thing about endurance racing is that it isn't a sprint where you need to run at 100% all the time. You run at 90% and focus on staying up for the whole hour or whatever you are on the track. As long as they don't expect to win the championship from day 1, they can use it to get lots of good track time. I wouldn't tell them not to do it, but I would recommend additional track schools ... to help them improve for the future championship
gt702 is offline  
post #5 of 11 Old 10-17-2006, 12:11 PM
 
Join Date: 02-18-2003
Location: Fort Walton Beach. FL
Posts: 476
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Reputation Power: 17
 
Re: Need some advice.

I wouldn't say a whole session of trackdays is necessary before racing. It depends on the rider. If the rider is doing well after 2 trackdays (holding the line, proper body position, no crashes) then it would be ok for them to start racing.

To get a race license you do have to go through a class but from my experience with it (CMRA). Its not hard to get the license when it comes to the riding. I ended up not going through with it because of the dedication issue. YOu have to corner work on 2 separate days and then race on two separate days. Can be done in 2 full weekends but it just wasn't going to work out with my schedule. Plus it was a boatload of $. Which I calcualted would be better spent on trackdays at this point in my life. Maybe when I retire I will have the time to dedicate to racing.

"and when I gun the engine I want it to sound like the world is coming to an end" -Homer Simpson
ucfmotorcycle1 is offline  
post #6 of 11 Old 10-17-2006, 1:14 PM Thread Starter
 
Join Date: 03-22-2006
Location: Parkersburg wv
Age: 42
Posts: 95
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Reputation Power: 14
 
Send a message via AIM to msalser1000 Send a message via Yahoo to msalser1000
Re: Need some advice.

That was what I was tring to impress on them. They are ging to VIR on the 6th to get the licence. But that will be their first time on the track. Like I said the guy that owns the bike they will be campaining is already a licencd racer, but he is looking for a way to keep racing cause he has came on some hardships. I think he has made it sound easy to these guys.
msalser1000 is offline  
post #7 of 11 Old 10-17-2006, 1:28 PM
 
Join Date: 05-09-2003
Location: Ann Arbor, Michigan
Posts: 4,804
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Reputation Power: 35
                   
Re: Need some advice.

I think you've given them good input. It would be very foolish to get on the grid without even knowing the track or having some idea of the relative differences in lap times they'd encounter with the experienced racers. If they do even a few track days first, I think it's possible for them to get a feel for the real requirements of racing by doing a short endurance race. That's how Heavy-Dee got started, if I recall.

BTW, I've been licensed by CCS for two years WITHOUT taking their class or even asking for the license. Just happened to be at a trackday on the same day.

That *may* be an indication of a fundamental lack of organization, I don't know...

If by being violent you mean Islam prescribes expansion of its rule through warfare and is therefore violent then so be it. - SPDUDE
See you at Grattan June 25-27 2007 !
Email me for info.
CBRVFR is offline  
post #8 of 11 Old 10-17-2006, 1:35 PM
 
gt702's Avatar
 
Join Date: 06-10-2004
Location: MI
Posts: 1,279
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Reputation Power: 19
     
Re: Need some advice.

Quote:
Originally Posted by CBRVFR View Post
BTW, I've been licensed by CCS for two years WITHOUT taking their class or even asking for the license. Just happened to be at a trackday on the same day.

That *may* be an indication of a fundamental lack of organization, I don't know...
Hearing things like that was the reason I stopped racing a few years back when GLRRA stopped holding races. Very mixed reviews of both CCS and WERA (maybe just my area) where I never heard anything bad about GLRRA. I decided it wasn't the risk and moved on to track days and other things.
gt702 is offline  
post #9 of 11 Old 10-17-2006, 1:40 PM
 
Join Date: 05-09-2003
Location: Ann Arbor, Michigan
Posts: 4,804
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Reputation Power: 35
                   
Re: Need some advice.

Quote:
Originally Posted by gt702 View Post
Hearing things like that was the reason I stopped racing a few years back when GLRRA stopped holding races. Very mixed reviews of both CCS and WERA (maybe just my area) where I never heard anything bad about GLRRA. I decided it wasn't the risk and moved on to track days and other things.
I thought it was just because you were tired of getting spanked by SV's.. probably just a coincidence of timing.





If by being violent you mean Islam prescribes expansion of its rule through warfare and is therefore violent then so be it. - SPDUDE
See you at Grattan June 25-27 2007 !
Email me for info.
CBRVFR is offline  
post #10 of 11 Old 10-17-2006, 1:54 PM
 
gt702's Avatar
 
Join Date: 06-10-2004
Location: MI
Posts: 1,279
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Reputation Power: 19
     
Re: Need some advice.

Quote:
Originally Posted by CBRVFR View Post
I thought it was just because you were tired of getting spanked by SV's.. probably just a coincidence of timing.



Trust me, by the time I quit, I was being spanked by a lot more than SV's, and it had nothing to do with the capability of the bike

But I still have my memories ... and as old age creaps in, I'm letting the bad momories go away first
gt702 is offline  
post #11 of 11 Old 10-18-2006, 6:13 AM
 
Diesel954's Avatar
 
Join Date: 09-11-2002
Location: Okc, Ok
Posts: 777
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Reputation Power: 18
   
Re: Need some advice.

Tell them to form a mini-bike endurance team if they have them in your area. The slower speeds will help them learn corner speed and proper lines. They wont want to hop right out into a full blown big bike endurance race. Way too much difference in closing speeds between the top teams and newbies. Good recipe for disaster.
I raced on a team with an NSR50 to learn the lines and such. Minis are way too much fun and the races are very competitive. Nothing like having someone reach out and grab a tailsection to prevent a pass.

Nerve rackin' sons a.......
Diesel954 is offline  
Reply

  Lower Navigation
Go Back   Honda Motorcycles - FireBlades.org > Motorcycle Racing > Road Racing: Club / Amateur

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Honda Motorcycles - FireBlades.org forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
A valid e-mail address is REQUIRED. You will not have access to any site features until you activate your account using the activation e-mail that is sent to this address.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in










Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Need some advice!!!! esco954RR Honda FireBlade 2 10-09-2005 7:33 AM
Need some advice or help Please... GASRAT Honda FireBlade 5 07-11-2005 7:12 AM
I need some advice! cbrbikerchick General Discussion 16 05-02-2004 12:20 PM
Need some advice from you lawn pros.... stopsign Off-Topic 8 05-02-2004 11:17 AM
i need some winter jacket advice TCD Riding Gear / Luggage 15 10-13-2003 11:12 PM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome