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post #1 of 20 Old 07-15-2008, 11:27 PM Thread Starter
 
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Got the bug

So.. Ive got the bug to take my newly aquired 954rr to a road race event.. And after seeing just how fast this thing can go on nothing more than a thought, I decided that perhaps this is not the best tool for my competance level..

So, I started looking at the classifieds for a wrecked 600f4i, figuring I wont shed too many tears if I down it at a novice track day. My question is this, Im NOT exactly a small jocky type guy.

5'9 250lbs, plus the additon of all the riding gear, do you think a 600 (even a mid 2000's modle cbr600f4i) is suitable for a track day or series of track days? Or should I be looking for a late 90's early 2000's 750/900/1000?

I realize that most never (based on what Ive read) reach the full potential of a 600cc bike, taking my portly self into consideration is a 600 enough?

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Re: Got the bug

I recently rode a 600 for the first time at the track (I previously only used my 900RR, which technically has roughly the same power as the new 600s. I also got to test ride an R1 that same day. Long story short: My next track bike will be a 600RR


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Re: Got the bug

Hmmm...I'm around 250lbs myself and I certainly wouldn't be classed as small or jockey-like :-)
Personally, I find the 600's to struggle a bit with my weight. I raced 750's when I was under 200lbs and they were fine and the 929 has never complained even once :-)
I would absolutely love to race a 250GP bike but I just don't think it'd be fair on the bike :-)
I'd stick with a litre-class bike. Even a 600 can seriously hurt you if you don't respect it. Also, the 600 is liable to keep reminding you that you're a fat bastard :-)

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Also, the 600 is liable to keep reminding you that you're a fat bastard :-)

HEY NOW!! Im still in denial... Though since skin tight leather is so FlATering, I did decide to hit a target weight of 225 or so.
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Honda doesnt offer a 750 or else I'd be all over it. But seriously, for non-racing mortals like spyonu2007 and myself, a 600 is fine to build your skill set on.

I wish I was built like a race jockey so I can take a hawk gt out on the track. Okay, I'm lying, I dont wish I was built like a race jockey for any reason.
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Re: Got the bug

Though I love riding the red, honda being my favorite, Im not too picky when it comes to a track bitch bike. A gsxr750 sounds like a good in between compared to a 600, but beggars cant be choosers.

Im psyched.
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Re: Got the bug

I found a ugly rc51 with some cosmetic issues, not quite as powerful as a 954rr, looks like its more torquey and a bit heavier..
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a bit heavier would be an understatement.

How much riding street experience do you have?
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Re: Got the bug

Zero on a paved track.
Not that dirt track experience means a whole lot, but Ive ridden a lot of dirtbikes. started off on a yz80, then a 175 enduro, a yz250, a couple of kx80-125's here and here.

Street wise, just a couple years on a cbr600f2 and a few weeks on my 954.

so..
Not a whole lot of street experience.
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We're complete motorcycle opposites. I have zero dirt track and some off road experience.

If you're mature/skilled enough with the throttle control, there is no reason you cant take the 954 to the track... but:

1. its more fun to ride a slow bike fast than it is to ride a fast bike slow
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Honda doesnt offer a 750 or else I'd be all over it.
That's exactly why I just picked up an '06 GSX-R 750 for the track.


You can't go wrong with the 600's though. As a track bike they'd be a blast.

SKIP the RC.....PERIOD.



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Re: Got the bug

Not an RC fan Dux? From what I read, they are about 100lbs heavier, have a flat torque curve from 3k on.. Figured that would be similar to driving an American V8 vs a turbo import on a track.. Then again, most my track experience is with cars, not bikes...

I personally want something that isnt worth a whole lot if I wad it up. If I dump the 954rr, Id be more heartbroken than if I dump a salvaged titled _________ what ever.

Is there a reason that the RC should be avoided?
I suppose I better spend some time reading up on the vtwins. All I thought I knew were that the motors were pretty bullet proof.
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I've owned a 954 and an RC.

The 954 is workable for the track, but for a relative (track) noob it can be a handful.

The RC-51 stock suspension sucks and it's HEAVY. The torque curve is flat, but there is a lot of torque down low and the bike will likely spit you out if you try to push it on the track before you know what you're doing.

I am heading to the track soon for the first time. I've been on liter-bikes all my life. I sold the 954 b/c I didn't think it would be much fun at the track for me. I sold the RC to buy a BMW and b/c it was too nice to put on the track. I would have felt terrible wadding it.

I wanted another Honda, and the new 600rr was in contention, but I've never ridden a 600 and wasn't sure I'd be happy with it on the street. They seem to be awesome machines. I don't think you can go wrong with an older F4i either. There's a video called "One Man's Island" where a guy rented one and rode the IOM TT.....certainly much faster than you or I.

Both the RC and 954 were FUN streetbikes and if I could have built a collection, they'd still be here. The RC sucked comfort-wise, but the sound was incredible and I actually liked the heavier bike better on the street.

In the end I went with the Gixxer b/c of parts availability due to it being popular with the stunt/squid crowd, the decent deal I got, and the fact that it's a 750. Abrupt throttle inputs don't launch the front wheel or upset the chassis like a bigger bike, but it still has tons of power for the street and I imagine more than enough for the track. I haven't looked back since.




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1. its more fun to ride a slow bike fast than it is to ride a fast bike slow
Oh, and forgot.......this statement is so true for more than just bikes.



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We're complete motorcycle opposites. I have zero dirt track and some off road experience.

If you're mature/skilled enough with the throttle control, there is no reason you cant take the 954 to the track... but:

1. its more fun to ride a slow bike fast than it is to ride a fast bike slow
Just saw your Avatar jhonda.....throw up a pic of that 95 VFR!

I've got a bone-stock one with 8k on it.......can't post pics here anymore.



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