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Re: MotoGP - why aren't the best bikes being raced?

is the next big thing for mgp to follow the proton guys and have both a 2 and a 4 stroke?

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makes a lot of sense - and I for one wouldn't mind seeing the NSR500 running at Phillip Island again!
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Re: MotoGP - why aren't the best bikes being raced?

The only thing that bugs me is racing and qualifying on different machines.

Also, sometimes winning is about confidence. If you're 100% confident with the setup of a particular machine, you're going to go that 1/10 faster. However, even great riders may have a hard time adjusting to to 2-3 different machines per season. Heck, even some great riders complaing about having to ride their 'backup' bikes, which are supposed to be identical to their main ride....

It's a good idea that may be very hard to implement.

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Re: MotoGP - why aren't the best bikes being raced?

They'd have to add another budget equalling the GNP of South America to run two-strokes as well.

Race on Sunday, sell on Monday does not apply when you run two-strokes and can only sell four-strokes because of emissions regulations.

I love two-strokes, and race one myself, but four-strokes are back, and here to stay - for the time being, anyway.
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Re: MotoGP - why aren't the best bikes being raced?

I agree about qualifying on one bike and running another during the race - but I don't think that's in the scope of the rules? Otherwise everyone would run the down-on-grunt up-on-cornerspeed smokers for Qual and the high-grunt 4 strokes when dicing in the race IMHO...

GNP comment was too funny! I dunno though - if they only ran smokers at 2 tracks, both of them of the twisty kind, how different could the setup be? Not to mention - Proton isn't exactly on Big Red's budget...



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Re: MotoGP - why aren't the best bikes being raced?

Didn't totally understand the thrust of the article....I thought that the impetus for phasing out smokers was an eco & marketing thing....

Also, its my understanding that Proton is only using the 2 stroke to stay on the grid while doing developement on the 4 cycle?

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Quote Lets face facts: At the Sachsenring the final seven MotoGP qualifiers - Abe (Yamaha), McCoy (Kawasaki), Hofmann (Kawasaki), Kiyonari (Honda), Pitt (Kawasaki), Hopkins (Suzuki) and de Gea (WCM) - were all outpaced by 250cc pole sitter Sebastian Porto.


dang, thats a list I don't wanna be on...
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Too much $ for the teams to run 2 different machines, won't happen. Baketech is right, emissions is one of the key factors why GP went to the 4strokes, I seriously doubt this would happen.
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Baketech : Also, its my understanding that Proton is only using the 2 stroke to stay on the grid while doing developement on the 4 cycle?
Everything I have read in print, as quotes from KR, indicate that you are correct. And theirs is a V5.
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Pete : Quote (Baketech @ Aug. 05 2003, 1:54pm)Also, its my understanding that Proton is only using the 2 stroke to stay on the grid while doing developement on the 4 cycle?
Everything I have read in print, as quotes from KR, indicate that you are correct. *And theirs is a V5.
Yep, with a 60 V instead of Honda's 72.



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Re: MotoGP - why aren't the best bikes being raced?

You can probably blame Honda for killing off the two strokes. They have always hated the things. Remember when they tried to bveat the two strokes with the oval pistoned 500, NR500 was it?

It's in their culture. So when Big Red shouts the others follow. Marketing and eco damage are certainly factors too.

I wouldn't be surprised to see some sort of mini MotoGP class starting before too long to replace the 250's. Maybe a production based 600 series similar to Supersport but with much less restrictions. So slicks, different forks, brakes whatever they fancy.
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Honda is avery environmentally conscious company. That is one of the main reasons they hate 2 smokers.



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Proto : I wouldn't be surprised to see some sort of mini MotoGP class starting before too long to replace the 250's. Maybe a production based 600 series similar to Supersport but with much less restrictions. So slicks, different forks, brakes whatever they fancy.
That is coming...

Aprilia is said to be developing a 600 to replace the RS250. That has to signal a 250 changeover to 4 strokes too.

Also, watch forumla extreme in the US next year, there you will see some really tricked out 600s!
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Pete : Quote (Baketech @ Aug. 05 2003, 1:54pm)Also, its my understanding that Proton is only using the 2 stroke to stay on the grid while doing developement on the 4 cycle?
Everything I have read in print, as quotes from KR, indicate that you are correct. *And theirs is a V5.
Yes...their 4 cycle is a 60 degree V5....

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Baketech : Didn't totally understand the thrust of the article....I thought that the impetus for phasing out smokers was an eco & marketing thing....
i read somewhere that they had hit a plateau on 2 stroke development. apparently there has not been any significant advance in years. don't quote me on this. anyone have a source?
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TCD : Quote (Baketech @ Aug. 05 2003, 11:54am)Didn't totally understand the thrust of the article....I thought that the impetus for phasing out smokers was an eco & marketing thing....
i read somewhere that they had hit a plateau on 2 stroke development. *apparently there has not been any significant advance in years. *don't quote me on this. *anyone have a source?
Quote Anyone have a source?

Sure, look at the lap times over the last several years...



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