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Not always the case. The wheelbase doesn't matter as much as putting the weight over the rear axle. This is why fifth wheels are so stable. Vehicles like the BMW X5 were also good towing vehicles because of the short overhang. GM likes long overhangs and at the rear, can cause issues with towing.

I would say that the wheelbase is just as important as the overhang. You're talking 1st-class mechanical levers here with the axle being the fulcrum. The overhang is the distance that you would multiply by the force (weight of bike and carrier) which makes up one half of the equation and the wheelbase mulitplied by the weight on the front axle is the other half.

So we've both learned something here today. I learned that there are 2,000 lbs in a ton and you learned about the conceptual physics of 1st-class levers. I guess we can take the rest of the day off, huh?


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Re: Anyone has the Moto Tote?

The overhang is more important though. I know someone who used a Suburban for years for a camper and then used an X5. The wheelbase is far better on the Suburban but the X5 did much better. Both had a load distributing hitch setup. The X5 was more stable as the weight was closer to the axle where is was further away on the Suburban. He was also over the limit on the X5 but never had an issue. He was below the limit on the Suburban. The shorter overhang also helps in regards to the camper/trailer, etc. from pushing the vehicle side to side as well; but with the tote this is not an issue.
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The overhang is more important though..
Uhh, no it is not more important. It is equally important. A lever is a lever. A longer wheelbase puts the engine (the predominant mass, I think) further away from the rear axle.
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I know someone who used a Suburban for years for a camper and then used an X5. The wheelbase is far better on the Suburban but the X5 did much better. Both had a load distributing hitch setup. The X5 was more stable as the weight was closer to the axle where is was further away on the Suburban. He was also over the limit on the X5 but never had an issue. He was below the limit on the Suburban. The shorter overhang also helps in regards to the camper/trailer, etc. from pushing the vehicle side to side as well; but with the tote this is not an issue.
If you're saying that their was less reduction in front wheel weight in the X5 than on the Suburban, then I would say that if there was such a thing as a stretch X5 there would be even less reduction. If you're saying that the X5 was more stable than the Suburban, then I would say "Gee Whizz. Might be a different suspension set-up, eh?" Because the longer wheelbase helps there, too. Just try to imagine the stability of a stretched X5.
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Re: Anyone has the Moto Tote?

The BMW has better weight distribution than the Suburban.

For a vehicle designed for towing (Suburban) then it should do very well. Here you have a vehicle that was not designed for it and put over the manufacturers limit and performs better.

Look at fifth wheels or 18-wheelers. They put the weight on the rear axle. Their sheelbase starts at 140" where the Suburban is 130". Notice the huge difference in weight that can be pulled safely and the stability? They extra 10" does not make that big of a difference,

A stretched X5 would not handle like the current one.
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The BMW has better weight distribution than the Suburban.
The BMW is better than the Chevy. What a surprise.

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A stretched X5 would not handle like the current one.
A stretched X5 would handle better than the current one (from a stability point of view only).
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