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tried the original bulb in the the connector and its a no go. if it was the relay wouldnt that just affect the middle bulb? if so, am i most likely looking at a fault in the headlamp switch, although the fact that the tail light works fine poss eliminates that? am i right in saying that everything is pointing towards the starter switch and a bad wire connection in there?

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tried the original bulb in the the connector and its a no go. if it was the relay wouldnt that just affect the middle bulb? if so, am i most likely looking at a fault in the headlamp switch, although the fact that the tail light works fine poss eliminates that? am i right in saying that everything is pointing towards the starter switch and a bad wire connection in there?

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wow, no offense, but it sounds like you're a little confused with how the headlight is wired.

The relay should be fine, assuming the guy didn't cut it out... but if you have the old head lamp bulb plug you should be fine.

The switch also should be fine.... the tail light is unrelated to the headlight.... different fuses even.

Lastly, starter switch? Really?

I think you should bring the bike over to a shop, the guy that wired the HIDs, or another buddy that can help trouble shoot in person.

Hunting down wiring problems is one of the hardest things to describe/ correctly diagnose on a forum... especially in situations where the previous owner possibly hacked it all up:(

Best thing you can do is get a volt meter and check to see if power is going to the wire on the headlights still and go from there.
 

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wow, no offense, but it sounds like you're a little confused with how the headlight is wired.

The relay should be fine, assuming the guy didn't cut it out... but if you have the old head lamp bulb plug you should be fine.

The switch also should be fine.... the tail light is unrelated to the headlight.... different fuses even.

Lastly, starter switch? Really?

I think you should bring the bike over to a shop, the guy that wired the HIDs, or another buddy that can help trouble shoot in person.

Hunting down wiring problems is one of the hardest things to describe/ correctly diagnose on a forum... especially in situations where the previous owner possibly hacked it all up:(

Best thing you can do is get a volt meter and check to see if power is going to the wire on the headlights still and go from there.
wow, check the arrogance!!

well im not a mechanic/auto spark, so typically yes, i would be confused.

if you care to search there are plenty of threads on here in which ppl have found the starter switch to be the problem so yes, really. why the hell would i take it to an auto electrician just to be ripped off?!

and i already posted that it wasnt a hack job, it was done by a guy who i'll bet knows a hell of alot more than you, he is one of the best mechanics ive ever come across but no longer lives in this country.

try reading what i posted and if you are going to condescend, or are generally just in a bad mood, then dont post.
 

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sorry man, didn't mean to sound condicending:O... it's just frustrating when you take all the time to repeatidly post lengthy answers for someone describing how to fix their HIDs then reverse course and describe how to get the halogens working and then have them respond with questions about unrelated electral components of the bike...

really makes one question their competency to comprehend the advice given... and no the starter is not related to the headlights... different fuses etc... maybe the ignition?:idunno:

Like I said, it's really hard to describe how to solve a problem someone else made in the electronics. I did try further by recomending you check to see if power is going to the headlight wires:thumb:
 

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sorry man, didn't mean to sound condicending:O... it's just frustrating when you take all the time to repeatidly post lengthy answers for someone describing how to fix their HIDs then reverse course and describe how to get the halogens working and then have them respond with questions about unrelated electral components of the bike...

really makes one question their competency to comprehend the advice given... and no the starter is not related to the headlights... different fuses etc... maybe the ignition?:idunno:

Like I said, it's really hard to describe how to solve a problem someone else made in the electronics. I did try further by recomending you check to see if power is going to the headlight wires:thumb:
ok, no problem mate.

im not a complete lemon on mech stuff but electrical always has that element of surprise to it for me and never seems as straightforward as it may seem. i always have a bash at something unless its obviously a specialist job needing done.
im just alittle urgent on this (hence asking alot of q's rather than attempt something dodgy and really screw up :nono:) as i just got a new job and need to get bike sorted asap for transport as im on nights and my partner needs car early in morn for work.

yeah the ignition switch is what i meant by starter, we call components etc a little differently in Ireland :thumb:

gona take a look at the starter/ignition switch connections 2mro, hoping that the kill for the lights when press the ignition switch starting the bike, has broken solder or summit and therefore breaking the circuit. just was alittle unsure due to the HID set up, but now that ive bypassed that i know its something on the wire circuit somewhere less obvious than fuse or bulbs etc
 

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You've been redeemed... I also wasn't aware of the language difference for starter/ingnition:O

Yep, pressing the starter does shut off the headlights during starting through the ignition...

Many people (including myself) when they install HIDs they put an auxillary switch in to have the HIDs off during start up as to not wear out the HIDs having them turn on (with the key), off (with starting), then back on (once bike is running).

Maybe he had the power to the HIDs run off the Head light power wire (possible) and then added a switch also... explaining the lack of power to the stock headlight plug.:idunno:

Or your bulb you are using could be burned out.:( Remember, low beam is the center light and high beam turns on the two outside bulbs... hopefully he didn't change that up:D
 

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well, had power tested and it was at the bulb no probs, the problem turned out to be the faulty hi/lo beam switch as the guy wiggled it around and we saw the light :)

he advised me just to take apart and clean out with contact cleaner, however when i did this i had no joy (even on bridging the hi/lo contacts) so we reckon there possibly is a dry joint in the soldering, so back she goes on thurs to get that looked at.

on a side note he advised that HID's are murder on rectifiers and doesnt recommend them on bikes


at least its getting there.....
 

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Thanks for the update, glad you located the problem.

For the amount of labor costs involved and the fact he's probably going to replace the switch anyway.

I highyl recomend just buying a used left control switch off ebay and swap out the faulty control with a new one... two screws and a plug.

HIDs are NOT more stressful on the R/R they actually draw less power than halogens... mine are 35watts halogens can be double that from 65-100 watts! The fact is they're easier on the R/R.:thumb:
 

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Thanks for the update, glad you located the problem.

For the amount of labor costs involved and the fact he's probably going to replace the switch anyway.

I highyl recomend just buying a used left control switch off ebay and swap out the faulty control with a new one... two screws and a plug.

HIDs are NOT more stressful on the R/R they actually draw less power than halogens... mine are 35watts halogens can be double that from 65-100 watts! The fact is they're easier on the R/R.:thumb:
would cost way more for switch, only 50e an hour labour cost here, the guy seems decent enough, didnt even charge me y'day for 20mins spent finding the prob. its only a dry joint in one or both of those two wires connecting the hi/lo to the system, cant be anything else.
 

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turned out to be a combination between a burnt out stretch of wire, which id never have found myself, and dirty switch.

now, this is coming from an auto electrician, he said HID's will burn out wires and connectors sooner or later, depending on the bike build quality, unless you upgrade the wiring to something that can handle the heat. he said he sees more than enough gsxr's with the same problem due to HID's, appar the wiring isnt as good as hondas. he also said that they shorten the rectifiers life, so there ya go.

good to get her working properly again :)
 

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Sounds like bs to me. HID lights have a lower current draw than standard lights after the initial warm up.
i dunno man, how did it fry wires then? the guy does this for a living so im sure he knows what is what on this
 
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